nin.com news 10.22.10: Pretty Hate Machine Re-Issue
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Sheepdean posted: Hmm, presuming your post was directed at me I wonder where I've said anything along those lines? Maybe it's in this post? dobyblue posted: Nope, I guess not. Mastering is the #1 most important aspect for music. Hell I'd take a well-mastered 256 Kbps .mp4 over a 24/192 stereo track if one was mastered like Chinese Democracy and the other like Death Magnetic. It's ALL in the mastering. By the way, music is STILL great on a phonograph. Most of my music purchases are vinyl, because the mastering is usually far superior to the CD and digital download releases. When it comes to critical listening the enjoyment is definitely heightened by your equipment set-up, the quality of the production and mastering on the source material and the fidelity of the source material you're listening to. Does it mean it can't be enjoyed on shitty iPod ear buds in 128 Kbps quality? Of course not! Is it the most enjoyable way to listen to music? Hell no! OnslaughtSix posted: Wow, that’s probably the dumbest analogy in history! And yes the AKG’s absolutely blow away the $10 in ear buds I use outside of my main set-up. It’s no contest, it’s not even close. It’s not a case of, hmm, only those with golden ears will notice a difference, it’s a case of anyone who is under the age of 100 and not deaf as a fucking pole will notice the difference. Ignorance is bliss, I get it, but it’s still ignorance. Here’s the real kicker, you talk shit about things you’ve never even tried. You don’t have a Blu-ray player, yet you’re inherently familiar with how it doesn’t look any better or sound any better than DVD. You don’t own decent circumarual headphones, yet you assert there is zero difference between them and cheap in ear buds. I always test equipment before I buy, I still do. If I didn’t I’d probably have expensive BOSE equipment everywhere and think I had top of the line stuff instead of expensive lifestyle crap with little thought put into actual R&D or quality sound reproduction. Please find me one studio where the guys listen to what they’re doing on shitty in ear bud headphones while playing back .mp3 conversions of their master files. Hmm, I guess guys like Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross, Neil Young, Tom Petty, Bob Ludwig, Steve Hoffman, Barry Diament, etc., etc., these guys are all just neophytes like me right, all hearing things that aren’t there. Yes, you do hear so much difference with a good set-up. Nobody’s trying to infringe upon your enjoyment of your music on your PC, lossy downloads aren’t going anywhere, so get over it and stop trying to infringe on people who do enjoy high resolution multi-channel audio releases like the SACD of The Downward Spiral or the 24/48 DVD-A 5.1 mix of With Teeth. OnslaughtSix posted: That’s fine, but it wouldn’t have on it the content that the Blu-ray has was my point, because it wouldn’t fit. OnslaughtSix posted: Your point completely ignores what I originally asked which is, WHAT STANDARDS ARE IN PLACE FOR VIDEO CONTENT?! Your answer is “use VLC”. Okay, so now you want them to include a VLC installer for every SD card sold with video content on it, just to make sure that whatever codec was used for the video content can play? Also you’re asking them to bring in a new media for music and video releases that is only for people who want to use their PC to playback their music/video content? Thus people with dedicated high-fi systems, which are usually going to be your first customers for high resolution versions of music, are shit out of luck because their $5,000 Denon DVD player doesn’t support random miscellaneous video codec playback through SD cards (and probably won’t support high resolution files either) nor do most TV’s, they support AVC/MPEG-4. SD cards? It’s a complete waste of time, which is why sales aren’t going anywhere. MiniDisc sold in better numbers. Hell the small handful of music titles on Blu-ray are selling better than music on SD cards. Warner has even done a second pressing of the Neil Young Archives on Blu-ray which go for over $200. And jeeziz get the quotes right, what a headache fixing your post.  Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/08/2010 11:32AM by dobyblue. | |
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BenAkenobi posted: Is that you Sir Take It Out Of Context? Who said anything about cancelling pre-orders? Again the mastering is key, I'll wait to see waveform analysis before I get the CD, if it's mastered without destroying dynamics like the original PHM CD was I'll get it, if it's looks like a turd-blob then I'll pass. The vinyl I'll pre-order and compare. Whichever's better I'll keep (between Ryko, original and new.). I can't play records in the car, so I'll also buy the new CD or keep the original, whichever is better. The comments about analog are illustrated herein, try not to be so dramatic. 
You can see that 24/192 and DSD most accurately capture the analog pulse, whereas CD would be represented most closely by the 48kHz sample showing a very inaccurate capture. We don't listen to source material like this in real world instrumentation, but the example still showcases the differences. Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/08/2010 03:01PM by dobyblue. | |
botleysmith posted: That's the great thing about including FLAC, Apple or mp3 options with every release and a digital DVD copy! It costs pennies to do and you have a back-up on your HDD. You could even include a CD copy as well for those that don't want to involve their PC period, again it would add, what, $0.10 to the cost? posted: I see that, you're right, I was only looking at the HIGH RES section and didn't notice you can get the 24/96 files in with the deluxe package also, but again it's not the same as the SKU I listed because it's under 4.7GB and is designed for a single layer DVD, it's nasty old 480i MPEG-2 (it says same as source) - not exactly the same as the file size required to download the video content from TP's Damn The Torpedoes which includes 24/96 5.1 mixes for both of the new videos according to Ryan Ulyate. posted: Quad mix was also released as a dts Entertainment disc circa 2000, which isn't bad. I'm sure the new 24/96 stereo tracks are better though. Shame they didn't include it. When I see the 30th anniversary "Legacy" edition of "The Stranger" come out from Billy Joel without that awesome Phil Ramone surround mix from the SACD it makes me very sad. posted: How does anyone ever know you're interested in something if you don't tell them about it? 
posted: Agreed. John Leckie wanted to do a 5.1 surround mix for the 20th Anniversary Edition of The Stone Roses but Sony, in their infinite lack of wisdom, didn't think it was commercially viable and wouldn't pony up the money for two extra weeks of studio time. I understand all the factors involved, which is why I vote with my wallet anytime a popular album comes out with a surround mix, and take the time to write to the record label to explain that was the main reason why I bought it. It's very unfortunate that the last time the labels were pushing surround it was during a format war. I think they would be infinitely more successful in 2010 than they were in the first couple years of the 2000's when we got all the Elton John, Toto, REM, Seal, Depeche Mode, Genesis, etc., releases. Sony is sitting on a real gem to bring surround and Blu-ray to the spotlight - Thriller. Even though it's already sold more than twice the # of copies of the 2nd place album, it still has massive legs. That coming out in 2012 with a full high rez surround mix (it was already done for the SACD but MJ never approved it and Sony got tired of waiting) and all the videos along with the 24/192 Beatles masters delived on Blu...the music world would pay attention. MODS - feel free to merge whatever posts you like into the new subforum. I don't see how any of this is against forum rules just because you happen to only listen to CD, but would be happy to have the relevant sections explained to better understand in the future. | |
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i'd like to add that nin isn't exactly in the hi-end genre territory. remember it was called industrial back in 90-s? industrial is all about distortion and listener's discomfort. bluray can take away that feeling
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BenAkenobi posted: I'd like to add that listening to The Downward Spiral, or The Ruiner, or I Do Not Want This, or Mr. Self Destruct on SACD 5.1 is far more discomforting and abrasive than listening in stereo on CD. It can make you scream for your mummy. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2010 08:14AM by dobyblue. | |
Sheepdean posted: botleysmith posted: Do you think they would do a single release deluxe edition with both on it? I would fucking LOVE to see them come out with that, or both individually, either way they'd be DAY ONE pre-orders. Potential contents? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2010 09:41AM by dobyblue. | |