Your controversial NIN opinions
 
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03/20/11 11:09 AM

SalavanteK posted:
I was actually disappointed to see that the music video to Burn wasn't on Closure. (I suspect that this might be controversial because if I'm not mistaken, isn't Burn considered to be one of the worst NIN videos ever?)

And I don't think Deep was that bad either. As a matter of fact, I actually like it live as well.

it's the "Deep" video at which a lot of people cringe. i've rarely seen people diss the "Burn" video over the last 7 years in NINland, but i'm sure it has its detractors (all the videos do). personally, i don't like it either.

however, it likely wasn't on Closure for ownership reasons (the film footage is owned by whoever owns the Natural Born Killers rights, so TR can't use the video without their permission).

 

03/20/11 8:47 PM

What's the big deal about The Perfect Drug? I don't get it; it's one of my least favorite in the NIN catalog.

 

03/20/11 8:49 PM

^ Agreed.

 

03/20/11 11:07 PM

At that time people were craving for new nin, and the perfect drug was all we had received between 94-99.
I personally love the perfect drug. The song is fucking crazy. The disjointed drum beats, the whole schizophrenic feel it has. It's just that the lyrics were kinda dumb.
When the fragile came out I was glad he focused less on lyrics and more on the music.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/20/2011 11:07PM by mikeystatic.

 

03/21/11 11:32 AM

I actually love The Perfect Drug and the actual music video. I think the house in the video was supposed to be some reference to Tori Amos's Boys For Pele album cover there.

As for The Perfect Drug, I think it would've been awesome if it was made into an EP like Broken in 1992, but in 1997 with The Perfect Drug sound. (I'm also wondering if She's Your Cocaine could've been a response to The Perfect Drug as well.)

And regardless of the sound, I think the gap between The Downward Spiral and The Fragile wouldn't have been as big of a deal if there was an EP released in 1997, or at least any year before 1999. (And I don't mean to say that The Fragile wouldn't be as good as it is either.)



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03/21/11 12:32 PM

PeedroPaula posted:
What's the big deal about The Perfect Drug? I don't get it; it's one of my least favorite in the NIN catalog.

You're in good company as I'm sure Trent said this too on the Perfect Drug video commentary on the Mark Romanek directors DVD. He just said he didn't like the song that much in retrospect, but obviously Mark Romanek did!

 

03/21/11 1:59 PM

Hate to say it, but I've never been a big fan of The Wretched. Mid-tempo, lacking much in the way of dynamics. The piano line is great, but I've always been a bit bored by the song as a whole. The Frail, however is gorgeous.

 

03/21/11 5:19 PM

jimfear posted:
Hate to say it, but I've never been a big fan of The Wretched. Mid-tempo, lacking much in the way of dynamics. The piano line is great, but I've always been a bit bored by the song as a whole. The Frail, however is gorgeous.

I've never cared for the studio version of the Wretched, yet, I love the Version on Thing's Falling Apart, and I liked the live version a lot, too.

 

03/21/11 5:21 PM

jimfear posted:
Hate to say it, but I've never been a big fan of The Wretched. Mid-tempo, lacking much in the way of dynamics. The piano line is great, but I've always been a bit bored by the song as a whole. The Frail, however is gorgeous.

i used to think this for awhile after the album had come out..but, then i saw it live.

my perception changed after that.

 

03/22/11 7:53 PM

Here it goes. My controversial NIN opinion...

I'm not a big fan of Head Like A Hole & Down In It. I LOVE PHM but more times than not, I skip HLAH & DII.

 

03/22/11 8:07 PM

"Down In It" has a lot of meaning when you re a drug addict.I'm not saying that was the intention or meaning of the song as far as Trent goes,just what I relate it to.

 

03/22/11 9:43 PM

love tpd

 

03/24/11 1:47 AM

-Woodstock 94 “Happiness In Slavery” performance > Woodstock 94 “Reptile”. (By leaps and bounds)
-The song "And All That Could Have Been" is one of Trent’s best.
-I only like 3 songs off of “Year Zero”.
-“Pilgrimage” is fucking amazing!
-“The Slip” > “Year Zero”
-“Discipline” is way too radio friendly.

 

03/27/11 9:45 PM

i only like the first half of pretty hate machine, the rest sounds like filler. im glad they sealed that deal with the remastered version: i enjoy it more now, especially with get down, make love.

 

03/27/11 9:50 PM

i hate ruiner.

the fragile > tds

the fragile and its remixes are all in my opinion so much better than anything else nin has ever made.

i would love to be personally called a fucking pig by trent reznor himself, as a joke.

i love nin's profanity.

 

03/31/11 12:07 AM

thegreatdestroyer2022 posted:
i only like the first half of pretty hate machine, the rest sounds like filler. im glad they sealed that deal with the remastered version: i enjoy it more now, especially with get down, make love.
Trent doing one of Freddie's songs,man that is orgasmic to me!



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03/31/11 12:52 AM

"The song "And All That Could Have Been" is one of Trent’s best. "

Yes

 

03/31/11 12:57 AM

I don't like much of TDS at all :-/

 

03/31/11 7:08 PM

tehmonkay posted:
"The song "And All That Could Have Been" is one of Trent’s best. "

Yes

While I agree 100 percent, I'm not sure how controversial that is. The consensus of the NIN community seems to be that that is one of his best songs.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/31/2011 07:08PM by RhettButler.

 

04/01/11 7:50 PM

down in it sounds like it was sampled from one of the underground levels from Super Mario Bros. on NES.

The Slip and Ghosts...shoulda remained in the vault...just boring.

Not So Pretty Now is the worst thing NIN's name has been attached to.

 

04/01/11 7:55 PM

Wowk posted:
I don't like much of TDS at all :-/

I didn't either, but decided I was going to learn to appreciate it before I went to a bunch of NIN shows in '09. I'm sure glad I took the time because I got to hear it performed at the Palladium! It took a hell of a lot of listens for me to get into it, and it's still nowhere near my favorite, but I now think it's a fine album.

 

04/01/11 7:59 PM

unsure if its controversial or not, but everyone seems to love all this ambient dentist office music he's been making since WT (exception YZ), but I want to see TR bust out the metal guitar a la Broken and Starf*ckers. dude can play guitar, needs to showcase it like he does live.

I want TR to collaborate w Rage Against the Machine. since he's kinda toyed with being socially concious these past 5-6 years, he needs to hook up with one of the only groups whose talent and integrity are on par with his and take back music from the NIckelbacks and Stainds of this world and make a difference in whatever causes he believes in. HE tried to help that guy get a heart and adopts abused dogs, take his message to the world.

 

04/01/11 8:49 PM

pdhot65ton posted:
unsure if its controversial or not, but everyone seems to love all this ambient dentist office music he's been making since WT (exception YZ), but I want to see TR bust out the metal guitar a la Broken and Starf*ckers. dude can play guitar, needs to showcase it like he does live.
I agree, "Broken" was the first nin's cd I really liked at my first listen, and I bought TDS and PHM before, but the riffs and the sound of that album was awesome, I needed more time to get used to the other 2 that I finished loving too, of course. And TDS had some awesome metal riffs too, the end of Eraser is orgasmic. The production in ACSS is pretty amazing too, one of the best sounding albums ever produced and its guitars are the shit, it has a mix of the sounds from NIN's previous albums.

I always wanted something like Broken again, and I remember how the first song I listened from The Fragile in the radio back in 99 was Starfuckers and I thought the whole album would be like that, and then I was kinda disappointed when it was released and I found it to be a really weird album, although I love it now too of course, but I needed many listens tbh. XD

Since the old days he has used many guitars but in different ways, I would have loved something like Broken again, not just a bad clone, but something with a similar sound because it was too short. And The Slip wasn't similar to Broken at all, I like it, but it's not as raw and hard as Broken was, although some people compared them (1000000 or Letting You are cool rock songs, but Wish, Happiness, Suck or Gave Up are a billion times better and the sound in the guitars are completely different, the old ones sounding much harder and better imo). Also Broken has some of the best songs Trent has ever written.

And since we are talking about Trent and guitars, I also loved loved loved this:

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I liked Ghosts a lot and TSN's score even more, but since he is going to make a lot of scores from now on, I would like nin's next album to have some seriously hard shit like that. Some people may think he is "too old and happy" now and should only write stuff with pianos and or noisy experimental pseudoindie stuff, and I love that kind of stuff too, but you can perfectly be in your 40s or 50s and be happy in your personal life and also write some hard stuff with amazing guitars like the ones from Driver Down or Eraser or Broken, just change the lyrics and instead of talking about how sad you feel write something about shit that still pisses you off, I'm sure even happy Trent hates a lot of shit in this world, and while he doesn't become some kind of selfparody like Manson did, I think he still can write hard riffs the same way that he should use harder electronics, after all he is going to write a lot of ambient stuff for movies(and with this I don't mean he should completely leave the more ambient or softer songs, I like a little bit of everything into the mix XD).

 

04/01/11 11:31 PM

^ I had a similar thought regarding the roughness returning in some form. He's got a good film score career rolling here, so I'm assuming he'll be doing more in the future after TGWTDTT. If he finds a movie with the right tone for it, he could TOTALLY make some more of that Broken metal sound you're talking about. I think he still can pull it off musically, it's just that he's not there to make lyrics that properly accompany such dark and dangerous sounds. Listen to Eventually We Find Our Way on the TSN score. While not quite what you mean, that song is dark as hell and I love it. So what better way to create darker music than through a film score?

EDIT: On a side note, I forgot how fucking awesome Driver Down is.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2011 11:39PM by scott_pawsey.

 

04/02/11 7:26 AM

probably a weak question w an obvious answer, what is ACSS?

and I recently discovered Driver Down. fairly badass.

lets hope his happiness in his personal life doesnt spell the end for NIN. the man can focus his anger at other things into amazing things, i.e. YZ. the musical world needs NIN, please, please, dont retire NIN to conquer the world of film scores, that would be like CHris Cornell thinking he's John Mayer...oh, wait, that happened.

and I dont think Ilan Rubin is that good. Freese, Dillon and Chris Vrenna are all miles ahead of him.

 

04/02/11 7:36 AM

^ Nine Inch Nails is not dead, man. It will be back, just not as a touring entity. For now, that is.

Controversial to some, perhaps: I wish Trent kept Aaron North around for last tours.

 

04/02/11 8:58 AM

pdhot65ton posted:
probably a weak question w an obvious answer, what is ACSS?
...
http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-181978-1261564231.jpeg

...and it's not as great as many claim it is. That's my controversion for today.



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04/02/11 10:04 AM

^ ACSS is the only Manson album I can listen to straight-through. Songs like The Reflected God and Tourniquet make me happy. smiling smiley

 

04/02/11 12:00 PM

duh...I was trying to see what NIN album that was. manson through Holy Wood, I was and still am a fan of. ACSS is pretty good, but I liked Holy Wood best out of all of that.



there is no NIN if there is no NIN live. this isnt Steely Dan.

 

04/02/11 12:48 PM

pdhot65ton posted:
there is no NIN if there is no NIN live. this isnt Steely Dan.

I completely disagree. To say that without the live elements Nine Inch Nails is nothing is to do a great disservice to the music that we've all enjoyed for over twenty years.

 
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