Ruiner

Ruiner

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07/05/11 12:47 AM
BillyReznor88 member Joined: 08/26/08 Location: IL Posts: 1,831	Best song on TDS, if not best NIN song so far?
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07/05/11 2:10 AM
BenAkenobi member 999998 Joined: 04/13/08 Location: Chekhov Posts: 2,080	No.
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07/05/11 1:12 AM
scott_pawsey member Just zeroes and ones Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Ontario - Canada Posts: 4,225	One of them, in my opinion.
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07/05/11 2:47 AM
DrVertigo member Joined: 08/31/09 Location: England Posts: 367	I hate the metallic sloshing sound in the second squeaky bit. I've edited that out in my version, though, leaving a definite five-star song. But there's some pretty damn stiff competition on TDS...
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07/06/11 1:40 AM
Matttcollins member Joined: 03/08/10 Location: Virginia Posts: 75	I either listen to Ruiner on repeat for hours or skip it constantly. I don't know its a confusing song for me.
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07/06/11 2:12 AM
BillyReznor88 member Joined: 08/26/08 Location: IL Posts: 1,831	DrVertigo posted: I hate the metallic sloshing sound in the second squeaky bit. I've edited that out in my version, though, leaving a definite five-star song. But there's some pretty damn stiff competition on TDS... I'm not sure what part you're referring to, but if it's the one that I'm thinking of initially, I think you may have ruined the song. no pun intended.
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07/06/11 7:57 AM
DrVertigo member Joined: 08/31/09 Location: England Posts: 367	BillyReznor88 posted: DrVertigo posted: I hate the metallic sloshing sound in the second squeaky bit. I've edited that out in my version, though, leaving a definite five-star song. But there's some pretty damn stiff competition on TDS... I'm not sure what part you're referring to, but if it's the one that I'm thinking of initially, I think you may have ruined the song. no pun intended. The song opens with a 'squeaky bit'. After the first chorus ('how'd it get so long') there's a second, only this time there's an awful mid/high-pitch sloshy noise in the background. Presumably it's an extremely low-quality or distorted recording of a cymbal or festive bell. In my opinion at least, it sounds a great deal better without the sloshing. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2011 07:58AM by DrVertigo.
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07/06/11 11:57 AM
Alex79uk member Joined: 09/30/10 Location: Redditch%2C UK. Posts: 28	It's certainly one of my personal favourites. I couldn't believe it when Trent played it live when I saw NIN in 2007 because I didn't think it got played live very much. I was well pleased!
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07/06/11 10:13 PM
vinyl_scratch member Cupcakes anyone? Joined: 07/06/11 Location: Ponyville aka Detroit Posts: 66	I usually skip it.
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07/07/11 5:37 PM
rodheh member Joined: 02/18/10 Location: A Warm Place Posts: 413	Literally a 9.9 out of 10 song from me, and in my top three NIN favorites that I don't place above one another, for me, Ruiner, 1,000,000 and AATCHB. It pretty much has everything that could make up a great song. It has Industrial bits, Electronica bits, Rock bits, a 1970's esque solo that works so well, and every part has so much power to it. Easily the best song of TDS, IMO. It would be a 10/10 if that revolving hi-hat track during the chorus of the demo was carried over to the final version. Also, that "squeaky bit" you're referring to... that's an odd way to put it. It always sounded more like a teapot howling to me, tangled up in the machinery. Anyways, I know what you're talking about with that metallic sound. It's not so low-quality on my flac rip, but it doesn't bother me either way. I like the way it sounds. An interesting note: I was screwing around seeing what other layering could make Ruiner sound even more awesome, and an idea hit me that seemed totally improbable in music. I took a sound clip of a tank moving, the tank treads rolling very heavily, modified it to go with tempo and stuck it in there. Sounded like Industrial heaven, literally. If I find the file I've got to upload it some time. Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2011 05:44PM by rodheh.
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07/08/11 5:08 AM
DrVertigo member Joined: 08/31/09 Location: England Posts: 367	rodheh posted: An interesting note: I was screwing around seeing what other layering could make Ruiner sound even more awesome, and an idea hit me that seemed totally improbable in music. I took a sound clip of a tank moving, the tank treads rolling very heavily, modified it to go with tempo and stuck it in there. Sounded like Industrial heaven, literally. If I find the file I've got to upload it some time. Please do! I'd be very interested to hear it.
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07/08/11 5:50 PM
Reptile09 member Joined: 07/04/11 Location: OH Posts: 30	I love it! But The Becoming is the best song on TDS. I would like ruiner more if it wasnt so hard to hear trent on the fast and really distorted verses before the choruses, while it does sound really good, i find myself looking up the lyrics all the time to remember what hes saying lol
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07/13/11 7:19 AM
OnslaughtSix member Oozing of Onslaughttitude Joined: 12/03/07 Location: In front of my computer Posts: 1,708	DrVertigo posted: BillyReznor88 posted: DrVertigo posted: I hate the metallic sloshing sound in the second squeaky bit. I've edited that out in my version, though, leaving a definite five-star song. But there's some pretty damn stiff competition on TDS... I'm not sure what part you're referring to, but if it's the one that I'm thinking of initially, I think you may have ruined the song. no pun intended. The song opens with a 'squeaky bit'. After the first chorus ('how'd it get so long') there's a second, only this time there's an awful mid/high-pitch sloshy noise in the background. Presumably it's an extremely low-quality or distorted recording of a cymbal or festive bell. In my opinion at least, it sounds a great deal better without the sloshing. ...But that noise makes that passage different from the earlier ones. Also, it's in all of the prechorus bits.
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07/13/11 9:45 AM
culture_failure member Joined: 02/13/11 Posts: 17	rodheh posted: Also, that "squeaky bit" you're referring to... that's an odd way to put it. It always sounded more like a teapot howling to me, tangled up in the machinery. I'm not sure what 'squeaky bits' and 'howling teapots' are referring to exactly, but if it's the part I'm thinking of, that's a sample from The Elephant Man. Watch around 2:40 in this segment: [www.youtube.com] Or maybe it was around 9:10 in this one: [www.youtube.com] ...either way, I'm pretty sure that it. You can ever hear the rhythmic clanking in the sample that was used in the song.
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07/13/11 11:32 AM
DrVertigo member Joined: 08/31/09 Location: England Posts: 367	OnslaughtSix posted: ...But that noise makes that passage different from the earlier ones. Earlier one in the singular, and it's different anyway. The synth from the first verse makes an appearance in the second squeaky bit, and the first squeaky bit has an alternating-channel ringing noise. OnslaughtSix posted: Also, it's in all of the prechorus bits. Huh, I never noticed it in the "Ruiner's got a lot to prove..." section before, but you're right, it's there. The thing is, it's barely audible in that section because there's so much going on, but the squeaky bits are quiet and simple enough that it takes prominence over the synth, drums and "teapot". In my opinion, it's loud enough that it degrades everything else in that section and makes it wearing to listen to. :edit: Culture Failure, those links don't work internationally; I can't play them. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/13/2011 11:33AM by DrVertigo.
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07/15/11 10:44 PM
psss member Joined: 05/02/08 Location: OH Posts: 999	BillyReznor88 posted: Best song on TDS, if not best NIN song so far? CHEERZ...luv it! edit~hey...I was trying to find a Live Ruiner recording, at the time when Ruiner started playing live!? You know any? I do not, Wish I did though! Anybody have an early ruiner live recording? If so, please share. In the meantime...Ruiner i like this one too ...and Ruiner Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2011 12:26AM by psss.
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07/16/11 1:22 AM
psss member Joined: 05/02/08 Location: OH Posts: 999	ruiner Early ruiner ! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2011 01:52AM by psss.
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07/18/11 10:21 AM
kenkopp69 member Joined: 10/13/10 Location: N.America Posts: 68	i have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about "squeaky sound" or "sloshing". i listened to the song for like an hour trying to hear it...
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07/18/11 11:04 AM
seasonsinthesky member deluxe audio nerd Joined: 11/27/07 Location: the wide open killingfiel Posts: 778	at the very start of the song, when it's just the beat playing, there's a high frequency loop of a squeaky sound. you hear it at the end of each phrase, in the fourth bar (i.e. just before the beat re-starts every time).
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07/18/11 11:29 AM
Neptun member Joined: 07/18/11 Location: Montelimar %28South of Fr Posts: 10	Good, I really appreciate it live.
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07/18/11 8:19 PM
echoplex1970 member Joined: 12/06/10 Location: somewhere Posts: 63	'ruiner' is an excellent piece of work.
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07/19/11 9:02 AM
OnslaughtSix member Oozing of Onslaughttitude Joined: 12/03/07 Location: In front of my computer Posts: 1,708	seasonsinthesky posted: at the very start of the song, when it's just the beat playing, there's a high frequency loop of a squeaky sound. you hear it at the end of each phrase, in the fourth bar (i.e. just before the beat re-starts every time). No, that's not the one we're talking about. That's great; that makes the fucking song. Compare the beat in the beginning with the beat that plays after the end of the first chorus (start at 1:22). Throughout that entire segment, there's a midrange-pitched distorted rhythmic sound. (And I don't mean generically manipulated, which is usually what people say when they say a sound is "distorted," I mean it has fucking distortion on it.) I'm downloading the split 5.1 channels right now to put something together if you really need it.
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07/20/11 6:51 AM
Staphylin member Joined: 02/21/09 Location: Switzerland Posts: 71	You're talking about my fav song EVER ! Yes there's noise at 1:22. For me it's better because you have the beginning with something "more". NIN songs become more and more powerfull and never repeat.
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07/22/11 12:12 PM
ktravis3 member Feed Joined: 04/18/11 Location: CA Posts: 8,570	I love it because it's noisy.
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04/20/12 10:27 PM
Elektrik2012 member Joined: 04/20/12 Posts: 2	Greetings! My name is Mike, I come from Russia. Recently I heard the Downward Spiral and was very much impressed (I am mostly U2 fan and until recently did not know anything about NIN). In particular, I enjoy the song "Ruiner". It's got brilliant lyrics IMO, this song is very personal for me. However, on the album version I can barely hear what Trent sings in the chorus, and this annoys me a little. I assume this is how this song is supposed to play, but anyway. I was wondering, are there any remix or live versions of this song where you can hear the chorus lyrics more clearly than on the album version? If yes, would you kindly tell me the remix/show and where to get it? Thanks in advance.
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04/21/12 3:10 AM
josiegallows member Joined: 12/04/08 Location: Mexico Posts: 170	Josie Gallows was once spotted pulling a newborn from a refuge in labor. He did this with his right hand while his left hand had a desert eagle trained on 900 enemy operatives. All of this is true and factual. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2012 12:31PM by josiegallows.
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04/21/12 3:33 AM
Elektrik2012 member Joined: 04/20/12 Posts: 2	Hah, I just realized that what I am talking about is actually a pre-chorus, not chorus =) I am talking about the lines starting with "The Ruiner's got a lot..." and "The Ruiner is a collector"
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04/21/12 2:33 PM
JustSpinningAround member Joined: 04/26/11 Posts: 40	Hey mike. surprised no one posted this.. i hope the lyrics are what you wanted... if so, [www.azlyrics.com] use that link for any nin lyrics questions... hope this helped you out bro. FIRST the ruiner's got a lot to prove he's got nothing to lose and now he made you believe the ruiner's your only friend well he's the living end to the cattle he deceives the raping of the innocent you know the ruiner ruins everything he sees now the only pure thing left in my fucking world is wearing your disease SECOND the ruiner's a collector he's an infector serving his shit to his flies maybe there will come a day when those that you keep blind will suddenly realize maybe it's a part of me you took to a place I hoped it would never go and maybe that fucked me up much more than you'll ever know
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04/21/12 2:42 PM
Sheepdean member Thug aim Joined: 11/27/07 Location: London Posts: 2,144	ninwiki.com is far superior for NIN lyrics, as it's not moderated by people who appear to be totally deaf for half of the songs
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04/22/12 8:33 AM
snaapz member Joined: 11/24/07 Location: Classified Posts: 1,119	UK style
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