hi ladies and gentlemen i tooted sum tenor sax in high school do i count as a pro musician does this post apply to me im sure it does because you know what just happened this trent_reznor user hit me up in a private message and was like whoooaaa dude mad sax skills u wanna play that there intro to that there song called eraser and i was like no problem broheimmm i gotchu covered and i did it just check out the live vids im there lurking in the shadows with my tootie

I think TuneCore makes sense once you reach a certain level as a band or artist. You definitely need to be established, or at least touring. If you’re a smaller outfit, honestly you don’t need to get your music absolutely everywhere, only a few places should do, and fans/friends will find them. CD Baby certainly for physical copies, plus they still do the iTunes upload, I think (there’s no reason not to be on iTunes, if possible). Also, Bandcamp is a great place for digital distribution, and you can name your own price.

Of course, you should probably be streaming on all the social networks, but that’s different: that’s more like modern day version of radio promotion (i.e. the listener hears it for free but doesn’t own it).

There are bigger challenges that small artists face today…the biggest one being promotion. Without the resources and the connections of a label, it can be hard to get the word out that you even exist. Today’s artists not only have to be musicians, but producers, and often self-managers and promoters…that, or they need to go out and team up with people who can do these things. Also, many musicians today put together a recording studio/setup individually, which definitely isn’t economical (although it is liberating).

I had a friend release an album recently:

[wkcmusic.bandcamp.com]

It’s electronic soundscapey stuff. He released it purely through Bandcamp, and I don’t know that it would have been all that beneficial to get on other distribution channels. He did a solo tour, but promotion is still the big hurdle. He mentioned trying to find a label, and I don’t think that’s a bad idea. Being on an independent labels that specializes in a certain type of music is good cross-promotion.

It’s great that TR gives us his two-cents. As I said, I don’t think TuneCore is right for every situation.

that sounds interesting.

i wonder if there's some sort of vis.arts equivalent? If there was I might give me the surficent kick up the backside that I seem to need. But then again maybe not...

hmm....

wow 3 years since ghosts? It doesn't seem so long ago, yet some how seems far away at the same time.

Time is a strange beast.

Yay! more HTDA.

What the fuck are you talking about?

speak english

"though people making live tunecore and paying well for it : are a majority of betweeners to the music industry not being heard and well served"

- i would love for anyone to decipher that one.



sorry to be a dick but you're not making much sense and you're trying to tell him what to say.
he's pretty excited about where things are headed as far as the closer bond occurring between musicians and their fans as opposed to how it was 15 years ago. stop shitting on him for letting others in on what's changing and developing.

edit: 9 edits, really?



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LobotomyBaby posted:

edit: 9 edits, really?

Yeah, puts me to shame.

As sheepdean says. And, ultimately, TR puts his name to things he believes in. If you dont, you are free not to use the service, or email them to clarify anything you are unsure about if you do want to proceed.

As for this:

Ahkros posted:

Do not give us lessons anymore with TUNECORE please : do not even promote them as you do not need this no more.

There is no lesson. Use Tuncore or dont use it. Maybe Trent doesnt 'need' NIN anymore. As a fan, I would rather he made NIN records because he wanted to, rather than because he needed to. If anyone has been consistent in not putting stuff out just because he has to or needs to its Trent Reznor. These are good times to be a NIN/TR fan.

hmmm, just came to my mind - didn't he give us hint who will publish his new music?

I put more edits to BOLD the most important.
I am diplomat ; I just say the TRUTH :
Tunecore was a real problem to me.
I won't recommend with all the money inserts I have lost...
2 more edits : to mention - I was about to sue them with my Norvegian Media Company !
Not for taking down all my A&R of covers and 2 original albums (about 20 songs) - but for stealing me upon inserts not being refunded.

And the most important was : to keep the band alive and the legend of a success story.

I have nothing left to say - we all wait for new HTDA and TR to continue being rebel with his band.

Rebel never gets OLD...

Thank you for your supportive answers ! lol

YKWYA posted:

LobotomyBaby posted:

edit: 9 edits, really?

Yeah, puts me to shame.

As sheepdean says. And, ultimately, TR puts his name to things he believes in. If you dont, you are free not to use the service, or email them to clarify anything you are unsure about if you do want to proceed.

As for this:

Ahkros posted:

Do not give us lessons anymore with TUNECORE please : do not even promote them as you do not need this no more.

There is no lesson. Use Tuncore or dont use it. Maybe Trent doesnt 'need' NIN anymore. As a fan, I would rather he made NIN records because he wanted to, rather than because he needed to. If anyone has been consistent in not putting stuff out just because he has to or needs to its Trent Reznor. These are good times to be a NIN/TR fan.

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OMS posted:

Akhros posted:

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...I have nothing left to say...

Awesome!

eta: I concur.

You entitled me to rather answer.
I am not an extreme person with this fast conclusion :

It is a FORUM and a kind of democratic way to express ourselves - if TR supports Tunecore/Tunecore also supported TR - I only explained my experimentation of Tunecore. It was not going well for me. I was not lucky with them. I do not hate Tunecore - I do a testimony of what I experienced ! It might work for other musicians - why not ? In making a start-up everything counts. Even a single $.
What would you have said - if you found your installed songs - performing correctly on sales - taken down all of a sudden ? It will sink your efforts and enterprise !

Oh well ; I should rather give up the NIN Forum with a 9 inch post and a 2 times edit lol....

I give up with a 3rd time edit...

OMS posted:

Don't look so happy...that was the only part of your post that I agreed with.

You hate Tunecore. We get it. No need stay on your soapbox about it. It's no longer constructive.

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TreyS posted:

i was thinking the other day and this makes sense

maybe t. reznor wants a break from nine inch nails

he's been doing it for over twenty years on and off

i really hope he wants to do more nine inch nails soon

You had a new NIN track less than a month ago, that's not really a break imo

Very interesting indeed. This is something that CDBaby flat out doesn't offer. I think many readers misunderstand what this is about (here's a link: [pub.help.tunecore.com] )

I've used CDBaby, mainly because I don't like the idea of paying year after year to keep music published - I'd rather it be "out there" right now, and indefinitely if/when I'm somehow unable to keep paying every year.
...I'd very curious if Tunecore waived this, or if they possibly worked out some kind of special arrangement for Trent

In any case, this new service is pretty interesting. It's something that other services haven't even touched on yet.

Thanks for sharing this, and of course for continuing to make music!
I'll have to consider signing up for some future work, even if it's unlikely I'll make 10% of what you might get in 1 year

Looking forward to the new music!!!

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