wigiNINgirl78 posted: No no. Blue Recluse is right. Everything in this forum should ironic, or angsty but not superficial or in the least bit fun. Besides you can tell by the response that no one was at all interested in this topic. | |
JadeV.2.0 posted: Whatever!! It's not an emotional topic..why would they show interests? It's just simple question. | |
wigiNINgirl78 posted: I was being sarcastic. A lot people thought this topic was interesting; that is why it's 3 pages long. I responded on it earlier. I don't think there is anything wrong with a thread like this as long as it doesn't get vicious. There always is and always will be threads like this: Is "X" still cool, good looking, or talented as before? Most of the time the vote is split in half. It's arbitrary but it can be fun. Besides I respect Trent's intelligence enough to know he realized by having a forum, this topic would come up. I also really doubt he cares either. I think he knows his viciousness isn't losing ground. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/17/2008 10:23PM by JadeV.2.0. | |
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I would like to add from my first entry ~
If Trent didn't have his "then" well there wouldn't be a "now"...just like one of the fans said earlier in a thread. Back then Trent would wear black rubber gloves, hair long, and wore gothy clothes..such as fish net pantyhose, shorts, and makeup at some point. But as for Trent's style now. He still wears black, but in a settle way. Black jeans, black shirts, black leather coats, etc. I believe Trent may feel comfortable with himself now b/c of reading all other threads on other topics, the fans are saying when meeting him he is smiling, looks happy, and actually enjoys taking pics with them too. I am very happy for Trent for makin' it this far. And makin' it through the hard times he had, but that is the past and now he is gone forward and he came out with great music still. Not like his Broken/TDS days, but that is what happens when you find a turning point and find yourself that you need to lead a better/safer path. And I believe that he did. Trent Reznor all the way!!!  | |
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Well, I stand by my original response, the reason the discussion was so bothersome at the time is because the few posts before mine were concentrating more on the music and his battles with addiction affecting his art and not about his appearance. Like someone basically saying that the music was declining because he was getting older, and artists performance usually decline with age.
 I just do not see Trent and his music as declining with age. Or someone stating that the music was better when he was sad and using drugs. If I was an artists that shared emotions and feelings about a part of my life like that, I wouldnt enjoy reading things like that, but I am not Trent so who knows, maybe he loves it. Bottom line here, old Trent, new Trent, doesnt matter, just as long as he stays true to himself | |
Blue Recluse posted: MY POINT EXACTLY! | |
Blue Recluse posted: Have you seriously seen half the threads in this forum? I doubt this is the worst question ever! *grins* Pretty much with all the rest, I agree on though! 
I can understand admiring someone, but I can't come to understand treating celebrities as if they are some kind of fictional creature, or robot. There's a HUGE difference. Trent is a great many things, I'm sure we all agree! But before anything, he's a person! A HUMAN WITH A HEART, AND *GASP* EMOTIONS! The way some people act towards/talk about celebrities, it's as if they think they have no feelings, or deserve to be treated like shit/disrespected, just because they are famous. As if being clawed at, being attacked/stalked by paparazzi/media on a daily basis, and bs they publish in papers (A lot of things not true, or artificially enhanced) isn't enough. To even have people that claim to be fans, in a way, are still not seeing him as "Trent" but as some kind of "thing" What if Trent was someone you knew, or someone posted threads like this/or far worse ones, on you? How would you feel reading people telling you, what they don't like about you. Talk about your personal life, some things in which you never invited others into, they just found out, because of who you are. (I'm not just talking about this thread, but many others I just find very insulting, but I bite my tongue, as much as possible.) You either see it/care, or you never do, for the most part. What if everyone told you who they want you to be. And felt the need to publicly bash you, because you're not exactly everything they desire. You're not everything perfect worth listening to from their perspective, or sex on a pixie stick. Heaven forbid you be human, and ever make a mistake, or have a few flaws. Even with flaws, people act like they don't care, yet magnify them, by the stupid shit they post on them, going on, and on. You can't please any of them though no matter what you do, as everyone has a different opinion. As they say, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one!" Just reading bs like that though, I can't speak for Trent, but that would seriously get to me after awhile. He seems intelligent though, so probably learned to block/ignore most of it for the most part. But bottom line though! Wouldn't it make you feel like you're nothing but some kind of wind up, plastic circus monkey, that is here for other peoples amusement. It must be weird having sites dedicated to random body parts, and thousands of strangers just wanting to get in your pants. Lusting to tear at your flesh, as if to see if you're real, and bleed red. When you're a musician, all that should really matter I feel is the music/message you have to give to people. That's what's most important. Hell, so long my favorite musicians were playing, they could come out in a wheel chair, with a mullet, in a f'n trash bag, and I guarantee you at the show, I will not be bitching about superficial bs. I'd just be enjoying the music, and just as satisfied! Because the best gift is in the talent! And then or now, I honestly think Trent was always great! He was a voice for all those that shared similar feelings/battles, gave us a lot of beautiful songs. The most important thing I think was in changing, over coming things. Because in that, he seemed to show others strength, and unlike a lot of tragedies with other musicians, he was a rare one that seems to have a lot of fire, to rise above it all! And if you don't ever change your music style, it seems to go stale after awhile. So he's smart to keep reinventing himself, and trying different things, a lot of people fear to do! Life is about change, and our own personal music tastes will probably also shift in time. So what you like better now, in 5-10 years if you're still listening to the band, maybe you'd actually prefer them at a different time. | |
ihatecrayons posted: I agree with this 100%  | |
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Well since some of this is directed at me, I thought I should comment...
Blue Recluse posted:It's only selfish if you read more into the answers than what is actually there... but I'll get to your use of straw men later. Blue Recluse posted:Does what matter? My opinion? Sure, to me it does and the question was asked so people could share them. Does stuff like his lack of energy or angst matter? Sure when the lack of it can be cited as at least a partial cause to music that the person feels is of a lesser quality Blue Recluse posted:You make it sound as if being glad Trent is around is mutually exclusive to enjoying his work more in the past... it's not. Believe it or not, a person has the ability to like how things once were more than they are now, but still appreciate the present state of things. Blue Recluse posted:Perhaps, but your sweeping generalization is a misrepresentation of at least my outlook and I'm sure this is the case with others too. I never said, inferred nor implied that he's "a muse to entertain me." You should start reading what people say rather than projecting some sort of agenda or message into their statements. Blue Recluse posted:Where did anybody in this thread say anything like that? If it wasn't said in this thread, why bring it up? I personally mentioned how I thought his stuff was better when he was depressed, but I never suggested he should get back on drugs again for my own entertainment. Blue Recluse posted:Mind reading AND straw men... a terrible combination. Blue Recluse posted:Do you only see his songs in lyrical terms? You seem to be ignoring the big picture: the music itself. Again, you're using a straw man. I can't speak for anybody else, but even though yes, I feel his lyrical content isn't as good, I was commenting on the actual music itself. Me not being able to relate to his lyrics has nothing to do with it. Blue Recluse posted:Yes, that was me... Blue Recluse posted:Read what I just wrote again... where in what I wrote did you see me say "Trent lost quality BECAUSE he got older," or apply age as the cause to quality? Again, you need to learn to read what people actually say. Blue Recluse posted:Subjective values don't need objective devices for measurement... everybody is entitled to their opinion. Are you the value gestapo or what? Blue Recluse posted:I know why I do, but I'm looking forward to your sweeping generalization about the opinions of EVERY NIN fan.... Blue Recluse posted:Well that's certainly not why I appreciate him. I appreciate him because he makes good music and puts on good shows. I couldn't give a crap about why he's doing it or who he's trying to please. Blue Recluse posted:Oh I see... subjective values are worthy of mention if they're positive, but not when they're negative? How close-minded of you. What's even more ironic is that the title of this thread was very explicit. You don't like it when people rain on your parade (i.e., you don't like it when people point out why they don't like something that you are enjoying), but you don't seem to mind coming in here and telling people why you don't like the discussion that they're enjoying. How hypocritical of you. | |
