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09/09/08 9:59 AM

I think you can be proud of your country and be embarrassed of its leaders at the same time. Unfortunately, I have become intimate with this debacle for quite some time now.

 

09/09/08 9:59 AM

rob_sheridan posted:
Post all discussion and miscellaneous commentary on nin.com front page updates here. For photoblog discussion, use this thread.

I'm glad to be a member of this website. I'm a fan of NIN, i'm from Yucatan Mexico and only want to say hello to all.

I saw that the group are getting a short break for the next weeks to get energy for the next step of their amazing tour, I want to go to the concert in Monterrey Mexico but in the official website the tickets on presale are sold out. I wondering if it would be another date to the sale of tickets.

Best Regards....

 

09/09/08 10:00 AM

so how does a gun bearing, oil loving, hockey mom from alaska become a vice president?

 

09/09/08 10:01 AM

She hasn't yet become a vice-president

 

09/09/08 10:06 AM

hmm I wonder if this will fit! good read I thought . oh yeah ...and again F*ck palin

.From: Anne Kilkenny ..
> Date: September 1, 2008 12:20:01 AM PDT
> Subject: re: SARAH PALIN
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
> last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

>
> Thanks,
> Anne
>
>
> ABOUT SARAH PALIN
>
> I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.

> Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
> first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools.
Her
> father was my child's favorite substitute teacher.
I also am on a
> first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law.
I attended more
> City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
> residents of the city.

>
> She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular
> girl
> in middle school.
Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't
> vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a
> "babe".

>
> It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret.
She
> kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
> for seven months.

>
> She is "pro-life". She recentl y gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby.

> There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

>
> She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

>
> She is savvy.
She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
> there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

>
> Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
> champion snowmobile racer.
Todd Palin's kind of job is highly
> sought-after because of the schedule and high pay.
He arranges his work
> schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in
> summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
> major source of income.
Nor has her life-style ever been anything
> like that of native Alaskans.

>
> Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

>
> She's smart.

>
> Her experience is as mayor of a city with a pop ulation of about 5,000
> (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
> 670,000 residents.

>
> During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
> this small city was turned over to an administrator.
She had been
> pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
> gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
> given rise to a recall campaign.

>
> Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative".
During her 6
> years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
> 33%.
During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
> City
> increased by 38%.
This was during a period of low inflation
> (1996-2002).
She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
> regressive sales tax which taxed even food.
The tax cuts that she
> promoted benefited large corporate prope rty owners way more than they
> benefited residents.

>
> The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
> weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
> money was needed, too.
She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
> with indebtedness of over $22 million.
What did Mayor Palin encourage
> the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
> she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
> new library? No. $1m for a park.
$15m-plus for construction of a
> multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
> of
> property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still
> in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The
> sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge
> money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be.
Sh e also
> supported bonds for $5.
5m for road projects that could have been done
> in
> 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

>
> While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
> redecorated more than once.

>
> These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

>
> As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
> in Alaska.
Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make
> us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed
> distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

>
> In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
> recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
> she
> proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus,
> borrow for needs.

>
> She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside
> ideas> or
> compromise.
As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her
> or her staff.
Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis
> of who proposed them.

>
> While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
> City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
> the library some books that Sarah wanted removed.
City residents
> rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's
> attempt
> at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her
> termination letter.
People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian
> are on her enemies list to this day.

>
> Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for
> Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys".
Palin
> fired most of the experienced staff she inherited.
At the City and as
> Governor she hired or elevated new, inex perienced, obscure people,
> creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
> grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power
> to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
> case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

>
> As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated"
> her, she told the press.
As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top
> cop has the ring of familiarity about it.
He served at her pleasure and
> she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an
> important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't
> fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper.
Under investigation
> for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
> contacts
> were made between her staff and family to the person that she later
> fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law.
She tried to
> replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
> for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
> her
> support.

>
> She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
> help.
The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
> introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
> became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor.
She
> abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't
> like
> the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

>
> Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
> publicly about her.

>
> When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
> the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
> of the few jobs not in Juneau and one o f the best paid.
She had no
> background in oil & gas issues.
Within months of scoring this great job
> which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high
> salary.
I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured
> hours, the work.
Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission
> (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
> engaged in unethical behavior on the job.
In a gutsy move which some
> undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
> her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
> garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
> gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit,
> exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

>
> As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
> Senator Ted Stevens.
Lately, sh e has castigated his pork-barrel
> politics and publicly humiliated him.
She only opposed the "bridge to
> nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

>
> As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
> guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
> projects, calling them pork.
Public outcry and further legislative
> action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply
> because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant
> she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

>
> She is solidly Republican: no political maverick.
The State party
> leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
> them.
Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
> fiscal conservative.

>
> Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.

> They call her "S arah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and
> predatory ruthlessness.
Before she became so powerful, very ugly
> stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
> point guard on the high school basketball team.
When Sarah's
> mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
> experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

>
> As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
> of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march
> to
> the beat of her drum.

>
> Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
> Refuge.
She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
> global warming.
She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state
> initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
> pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all m ining in the
> state (depending on who you listen to).
She has pushed the State's
> lawsuit against the Dept.
of the Interior's decision to list polar
> bears
> as threatened species.

>
> McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
> heartbeat away from being President.

>
> There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
> knowledgeable and experienced than she.

>
> However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
> regretting it.

>
>
> CLAIM VS FACT
> *"Hockey mom": true for a few years
> *"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
> school, not since
> *"NRA supporter": absolutely true
> *social conservative: mixed.
Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
> that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
> (said she did this because it was uncon situtional).

> *pro-creationism: mixed.
Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
> promote it.

> *"Pro-life": mixed.
Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby
> BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
> legislation
> *"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
> residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.

> No legislative experience other than City Council.
Little hands-on
> supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
> administrator to run town of about 5,000.

> *political maverick: not at all
> *gutsy: absolutely!
> *open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets.
Not good at
> explaining actions.

> *has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
> *"a Greenie": no.
Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
> and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.

> *fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
> *pro-infrastructure: No.
Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
> without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system.
Built
> streets to early 20th century standards.

> *pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
> residents
> *pro-small government: No.
Oversaw greatest expansion of city
> government in Wasilla's history.

> *pro-labor/pro-union. No.
Just because her husband works union
> doesn't make her pro-labor.
I have seen nothing to support any claim
> that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

>
> WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
>
> First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
> voter. I am a voter registrar.
For 10 years I put on student voting
> programs in the schools.
If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny +
> Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local
> government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

>
> Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
> when good people stay silent".
Few people know as much as I do because
> few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

>
> Third, I am just a housewife.
I don't have a job she can bump me out
> of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt.
But, I am no
> fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will
> cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

>
> Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
> or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
> attempt at censorship.

>
> Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
> say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

>
> CAVEATS
> I am not a statistician.
I develo ped the numbers for the increase in
> spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
> from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
> Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
> for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
> for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
> swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

>
> You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
> population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000.
The
> day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the
> current population is about 7,000.
The official 2000 census count was
> 5,460.
I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
> 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

>
> Anne Kilkenny
> annekilkenny@hotmail.co m
> August 31, 2008

 

09/09/08 10:09 AM

dvldog1 posted:
I know it's Trent's site and his forum, but I hate it when he blends in his politics. There's a reason why I don't listen to Green Day.

I, too, have been all over the world, but mostly in those places that aren't fun for anyone. I can't say that I've ever been ashamed of my country or my uniform, even when cigars and interns made the news.

Seriously why is it that when someone becomes famous for making music they are expected to forget their beliefs and have no opinions. if you come to this web page not relizing that trent with speak his mind then you havent been a fan for long

 

09/09/08 10:10 AM

I know some of you are idiots and can't tell the difference between patriotism and division, so I haven't bothered reading ramblings from the minds of closet rednecks - and not so closet.

Patriotism is stupid at the levels Americans take it.
Stupid enough to believe America is entitled to whatever it wants
Stupid enough to believe no one has a right to stand in the way
Stupid enough to believe that everything America does is right and just

Iraq was a joke
John McCain and co. are a JOKE

Whoever believes fighting for the flag is fighting for Peace is an idiot. You are fighting for division between countries that can KICK YOUR ASS (and will, because America likes to antagonise).

If you want to be proud then America should be a teacher and show the rest of the world how to compromise and negotiate.
So far America has just been a bully - a stupid, arrogant and ignorant one at that.

I feel sorry for my many American friends that get tainted with the retard brush of so many Americans going "down with Iraq, yeehaw for God and Country and Oil covered in the blood of innocent Iraqis - YEEHAW".

I support the soldiers who think they are doing the right thing, but not the Government, not the people in charge of the Army, and not the America that thinks it can do what the hell it wants.

All the best to you guys that see sense, and all the best to all of us in general. The WORLD needs a strong American leader, and John McCain is not that.

P.L.U.R.

Keep on going, Trent! We need more people to raise awareness - constantly, until we get the right results.

 

09/09/08 10:17 AM

Well spoken Mr. Reznor. Our country can be great again.

 

09/09/08 10:17 AM

Sorry, I didn't see any rednecks here so far (closet or otherwise)

We were trying to have civil debate, but Virulent's post reminded me of why I hate getting into political conversations in the first place.


Thanks

 

09/09/08 10:23 AM

Fuck Yookie posted:
people here say that expressing their opinions is freedom, that's what i'm going to do:

I'm half astonished and sad about what nin forums were meant to be and what they are. TRENT, IF YOU'RE READING THIS POST ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE, I HAVE AN IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR YOU. Today it was my first overview of the new forums and i'm deeply disheartened.
Unfortunately i don't know nin's influence in america, so i don't know if all nin fans are just like this.
Appalled by the ignorance and pretenciousness of the people here.
You americans don't have the SLIGHTEST possibilities of changing, if you continue this way. You think you all live well, but you have one of the most oppressive governments of the world. Not oppressive against iraq or whatever, but against YOU. Your patriotism is so ridiculous, you're always PROUD or ASHAMED to be an american, like if being an american is some sort of responsability - did anyone asked you before you were brainwashed if you WANTED to be an american?
The photograph's been the detonant of this post. So your beach is prettier than mine because is american? Does it have a special kind of water or sand which makes it so special? Or do you want to show nature WHO RULES, WHO HAS CONQUERED THEM? Were the crabs and the birds hailing to the flag, or are you just trying to trick yourself with this stupid dream of being part of something big so you don't have to think about how miserable you are if you are ALONE?
American society is full of FEAR, and that is because of TERRORISM - that is, because they are terrorized by terrorists. And terrorism today is manipulated media. Without a TV or a computer, you woudn't know about how much you have to worry about 'bad' people on the other side of the world. But thanks to that, you all have your civil rights terribly limitated, and most of you don't even realize about that. You think that freedom is carrying a gun. Rambo taught that to you when you were a child.

Sorry, i'm repeating a conversation on ETS at The Slip ARG thread, but if anyone has EVER had a doubt about the world in which they live, like it doesn't seem to be real at all, like if everyone could be lying to you on purpose, even your parents, your girl/boyfriend, your friends, your TV.... please watch the movie Zeitgeist. IT IS AN AMERICAN MOVIE, so it will not show you everything, but it will do it in a way that will probably offend you less. I'm beggining to admire people who fight in the USA, it must be terrible ti live the way they do.

great flick..wow that movie gets around! AND IT SHOULD! But not all Americans are as perceived, some of us are able to sense,reach & learn beyond the decoy of teachers....generalization can put you in the same arrogant category as the people depicted in this thought out message..I am just saying

 

09/09/08 11:24 AM

This is great to hear people interested in a subject of serious contemplation. But I think it's getting more off the heat of the real issues and point of choices as rightful politics and bearing of the future in a real opinion.

I see Palin has a few favors heading in with McCain. And Obama is getting great reviews.

But I beg serious difference. Seriously. New energy is the only way to reignite any lost chance at finding balance to restore a competent country. And buying a goat for those deep pocket Americans " sharing " our country. A very hungry goat if you need think that over.

If McCain is buds with Bush here and now. And He denies the global warming effect (which has been a very serious problem as long as I've been alive). Well, McCain isn't giving an opinion or holding any ground to foot himself with. He's just in a race where if you ignor the ability for change. Your still angering Americans. Everyone has a mind, there is a fact you can't deny. So maybe we should vote on how to spend the budget instead of who gets to spend it....

 

09/09/08 10:28 AM

haha! Right? I've been pretty impressed with home mellow most of the folks have been and that there have been very few "my way is the only way" posts. It's been interesting to see where different people are coming from with their views.



valeriem posted:
Sorry, I didn't see any rednecks here so far (closet or otherwise)

We were trying to have civil debate, but Virulent's post reminded me of why I hate getting into political conversations in the first place.


Thanks

 

09/09/08 10:30 AM

Virulent posted:
I know some of you are idiots and can't tell the difference between patriotism and division, so I haven't bothered reading ramblings from the minds of closet rednecks - and not so closet.

Patriotism is stupid at the levels Americans take it.
Stupid enough to believe America is entitled to whatever it wants
Stupid enough to believe no one has a right to stand in the way
Stupid enough to believe that everything America does is right and just

Iraq was a joke
John McCain and co. are a JOKE

Whoever believes fighting for the flag is fighting for Peace is an idiot. You are fighting for division between countries that can KICK YOUR ASS (and will, because America likes to antagonise).

If you want to be proud then America should be a teacher and show the rest of the world how to compromise and negotiate.
So far America has just been a bully - a stupid, arrogant and ignorant one at that.

I feel sorry for my many American friends that get tainted with the retard brush of so many Americans going "down with Iraq, yeehaw for God and Country and Oil covered in the blood of innocent Iraqis - YEEHAW".

I support the soldiers who think they are doing the right thing, but not the Government, not the people in charge of the Army, and not the America that thinks it can do what the hell it wants.

All the best to you guys that see sense, and all the best to all of us in general. The WORLD needs a strong American leader, and John McCain is not that.

P.L.U.R.

Keep on going, Trent! We need more people to raise awareness - constantly, until we get the right results.

Well said.

 

09/09/08 10:31 AM

So by new tracks, does that mean different ones.... or new material?

 

09/09/08 10:34 AM

I have no problem with reading other people's opinions

I'm not closed minded

I am almost never right

I did not see anyone claiming that America is the best thing since sliced bread in this thread

So, why the attacks?

 

09/09/08 11:39 AM

GREAT TOUR TRENT AND CO.!! I enjoyed all of the shows I went to and can't wait to see you guys on the next leg of the tour. We're already planning to go to quite a few of the upcoming ones. xD Hopefully we'll catch you when you come back around for the Rapid City, Billings, Las Vegas and Sacramento shows. Maybe even Idaho too, who knows.

Great picture too, I also loved the humor written throughout. smiling smiley

Have a great break!!! I can't wait to see what's new!!

Thanks again!!

 

09/09/08 10:39 AM

Wow......just joined and I'm baffled that he actually posts stuff himself......

Guess which certain someone's on a certain other fan site don't?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????????????

 

09/09/08 10:41 AM

We don't need to be name calling, but i completely agree with the post above. I love this country, but we seem to think that our shit doesn't stink and that we can be the neighborhood bullies. I don't know what stick our current administration has up their ass, but it needs to change NOW!! I support the troops that are in Iraq, but they need to come home. This was an illegal war from the beginning. That region has been fighting each other for hundreds of years. What gave us the right to be so arrogant and think that we could change that. Like I said, I love this country. We need to start taking care of our citizens and starting with the homeless and poorer class of this country. Help them to rise and take advantage of their full potential. Thank you Trent for all that you do and for staying in the forefront and bringing awareness to the terrible position that this administration has put us in as citizens

 

09/09/08 10:44 AM

All across the globe; regardless of race, creed, religion, politics, and gender; when it all boils down to it, people are really the same...

Irritating.

 

09/09/08 10:48 AM

jbizzo posted:
I think trent has a lot of fucken nerve to sit there and say how embarassing it is to be an american while he is traveling around the world.. I love NIN but really hate when people say stupid shit like that.. A guy from pensylFUCKENvania should show a little more patriotism.. Maybe the USA (and why those kids are fighting)is the reason you can produce the music that you do and make a good living doing it. Hey trent maybe if you were fucking citizen of IRAQ you would be better off- maybe you would feel less embarassed then..you could tell people "Im a proud IRAQI" and tell them what a piece of shit America is. Im sure you would have a thriving career there too..oh wait Im sorry - their government would probly torture you for saying the crazy shit you do..Im not here to sound like some republican - and I agree with you about watching the election- but you are either a patriot or a fucken terrorist - which side are you on ya cocksucker ?

[b]Hey Jbizzo: I think that your response is an emotional one that has little value. If Americans cannot criticize their country who can? The Iranians maybe? I'm a Republican but I can appreciate a little provocation to do better and get an alternative perspective. I wish that I could share the same views as Trent but I'm sure he can also appreciate another's independent thinking. I lived abroad for ten years and a person can learn a lot about their own country. Sometimes we cannot see the reality from the inside so we must step outside to get a clear image.

I feel that one thing is certain: change always stimulates the mind but there is such a thing as change for the worse. Our duty is to do our own research regardless of the media or any website, including this one, and make the choice WE want to make not what MTV or P Ditty wants. Be a critical thinker, be fair minded, and please Jbizzo, use a tone that inspires a little more intellect.

 

09/09/08 10:56 AM

crush11 posted:
We don't need to be name calling, but i completely agree with the post above. I love this country, but we seem to think that our shit doesn't stink and that we can be the neighborhood bullies. I don't know what stick our current administration has up their ass, but it needs to change NOW!! I support the troops that are in Iraq, but they need to come home. This was an illegal war from the beginning. That region has been fighting each other for hundreds of years. What gave us the right to be so arrogant and think that we could change that. Like I said, I love this country. We need to start taking care of our citizens and starting with the homeless and poorer class of this country. Help them to rise and take advantage of their full potential. Thank you Trent for all that you do and for staying in the forefront and bringing awareness to the terrible position that this administration has put us in as citizens

Thank you
All I'm saying is we can discuss this without resorting to people bashing

Somebody told me a while ago that There were two major reasons why we went into Iraq. Oddly, neither was about WMD's. The 1st reason we went into Iraq is to be stratigically placed for a fight with Iran. This person told me this long before Iran was even mentioned in the evening news.

The 2nd reason is because Saddam was lobbying for Saudia Arabia to cease accepting the US dollar for payment for oil. Our dollar is so weak, that if that were to happen, we would be bankrupt in a matter of weeks.

I think the real reason our government is running around trying to control things all over this planet is because they know our country is in serious finnancial trouble and they are desperately trying to keep it afloat. But, they disguise it with declarations of peace and stability.

An example I see myself is gold prices. I am in the jewelry industry and it has always been that when our dollar is weak, gold prices go up. When the stock market goes down, gold goes up. Now, all of a sudden, the dollar is still weak, and the stock market has been shaky, however, gold has gone down quite a bit. Somebody is playing with the market, and I find it to be scary.

Just my opinion

 

09/09/08 11:01 AM

Well said, Trent. As an American, I am embarrassed by the choices our leaders have made in our name. Pay attention, Everybody. Stop applauding the new "freedom" we have blessed Iraq with and open your eyes to the freedoms that are slowly being stripped from our own lives. Hope is within our grasp, but only if we reach for it.

OK – enuf of that…

Love the site. Can’t wait to see you again in December!

 

09/09/08 11:02 AM

It's refreshing to hear that someone else is actually paying attention and sifting through the smoke and mirrors through these campaigns. I feel like I am the only one in my surroundings doing so. I am surrounded by a bunch of people who took the RNC speeches as gospel and was disappointed to see my boss (female) treating people like shit right after Palin's speech because she was "inspired by her (Palin) to just be a bitch". Apparently people are inspired to follow blindly and act erratically if it aligns with the popular perception. Too bad some folks can't think for themselves.

Thanks for just speaking up and saying something Trent.

 

09/09/08 11:08 AM

you're all silly.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iSohwR3I_IY/SMaq7uQxSsI/AAAAAAAABaw/wiHp0o3aPK4/s400/hiltonspears2008.gif

 

09/09/08 12:14 PM

Wow, this is starting to heat up like the old blog used to! Where's Wolf-Bro and the Anons when you need them?!!

Maybe instead of Sarah Palin, we can substitute Michael Palin--a little Monty Python in the Oval Office might be just the thing we need, since the rest of this election is turning into a joke.

 

09/09/08 11:16 AM

I have respect for McCain, but I simply can not support several things he's pushed. I'm strongly against illegal wiretaping, warrantless searches, a war (GWOT) without any clearly defined end in sight, with the exception of "once we vanquish terror" (whatever that means), and a refusal to hold accountable Congress and the executive branch that led us to where we are today.

But as far as the war in Iraq, you have to give credit where credit is due, people like Petreaus and all the men under him were given a full-on clusterfuck, created by Rumsfeild&Co. and nobody seemed to know what to do with it. A few days ago, the Anbar province, the most pivotal and deciding region in Iraq, was handed back over to the Iraqi government after months of hard work on the US side (a large part of it was because of the troop surge). I think people like Trent are looking at this issue much too black and white, I think you've gotta remove politics from the issue. Not everything that comes out of Obama's mouth is golden and anyone that listens to him talk about Iraq will realize that doesn't have much more of a plan then McCain. I think people like Trent have to realize that we've made some tremendous strides (albeit, sadly, unnecessary sacrifices).

By the way, excellent show in Inglewood. Fucking perfect. I saw you a few months ago at the dress rehearsal and that was amazing too. I don't' know what to say besides thank you for being such an amazing artist, your work is greatly appreciated. And I agree that people should be paying attention this election, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should vote for someone just because of campaign rhetoric (which both sides are full of). I agree with the whole, "think for yourself, question authority" thing, but that should also be directed toward liberal politicians as well.

 

09/09/08 11:17 AM

http://i36.tinypic.com/eteauh.jpg

 

09/09/08 11:18 AM

Why don't we just get Bill Clinton back? He was friends with everyone! I don't know who to vote for now, and this is the first time I can vote. If America doesn't get any better then I'm moving to Canada. Anyone coming?

 

09/09/08 11:18 AM

Hi Lisa M smiling smiley

 

09/09/08 12:26 PM

Hey Val!--seems just like old times, huh?!winking smiley

 
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