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09/09/08 1:38 PM

skitzy posted:
I'm moving to Canada. Anyone coming?
Me! let's move to Vancouver heh.
Unfortunately, I think most Americans are just too lazy to "see through the clutter to the substance of what is or isn't being said."
With that being said I'd like to encourage everyone to Vote especially women. This is the story of our Grandmothers and Great-grandmothers; they lived only 90 years ago. Remember, it was not until 1920 that women were granted the right to go to the polls and vote. The women were innocent and defenseless, but they were jailed nonetheless for picketing the White House, carrying signs asking for the vote. This is such an important election and we have the chance to really make a difference. I personal don't want a "Trojan Moose carrying four more years of disaster."

~J

 

09/09/08 12:42 PM

We need more intelligent musicians like Trent. It is refreshing. Remember it is your right to vote, take the time to do it. Peace...

 

09/09/08 12:43 PM

um...wonder what Trent meant by some woman from Alaska. I wish Trent would send me a PM and tell me what he meant, I won't hold my breath though.
Um.. the same woman that just said that God want's us to drill in Alaska, send people to war etc...um...is that the "some woman" he's talking about?

I know other people on this forum will inform me, but I rather here it directly from Trent. Please people don't send me hate mail etc...

 

09/09/08 12:45 PM

Princesspaula posted:
um...wonder what Trent meant by some woman from Alaska. I wish Trent would send me a PM and tell me what he meant, I won't hold my breath though.
Um.. the same woman that just said that God want's us to drill in Alaska, send people to war etc...um...is that the "some woman" he's talking about?

I know other people on this forum will inform me, but I rather here it directly from Trent. Please people don't send me hate mail etc...

Educate yourself?

That's what google's there for.

 

09/09/08 12:49 PM

Oh yeah...nice pic of the beach. Hopefully you are enjoying your break and get to chill on the beach at least once before you head to South America.

 

09/09/08 12:50 PM

I'm not sure if I will be able to attend this second time around, I mean I wish I knew if he was going to sing "With Teeth" or "Sunspots" I might find a way even if I have to make a mad dash over some elephants, kidding, I love animals, anyway's enjoy your break and if I can, perhaps I will be at the show in Grand Rapids, Michigan-November*08...but that will be a long drive for me. I mean can I get a sound check pass Trent? Kidding, well not really.

Please Trent and Mod, don't get mad at me for asking about 1 sound check pass.



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09/09/08 12:52 PM

one_n_all_4egalitarianism posted:
With my organization, we've been organizing an anti-military picketing plus conference on Ste-Catherine street corner Bishop on September 18th 5 pm. I hope people from Montreal will show up. because last i checked, it concerns us all... well from what I remember...

Anyone that pickets military offices is too naive or close-minded to realize that if we're attacked by another nation, they're gonna be the ones putting their lives on the line for us. Right now, they're fighting and dying in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Have some fucking respect, you ignorant bitch.

 

09/09/08 12:56 PM

Thanks Jane for the information. Sounds great. paula

 

09/09/08 1:20 PM

trent means palin McCain's running mate pay attention!

 

09/09/08 1:25 PM

I think it's definitely misguided to take one's frustrations with the current administration or with the McCain-Palin ticket out on the military. Granted, nobody is perfect. I just don't think we need to resort to the kind of blanket "baby-killer" accusations that were thrown about so much during Vietnam. I know and have known people in the military (men and women, all branches) who were in it for the right reasons (namely, protecting this country and its citizens). I've also known those who did it for all the wrong reasons (boredom, seeking validation, because they liked playing with guns, etc.). Justifications run the gamut. It's too much to get into.

Here's my general feeling, not that anyone asked for my damn opinion...but here 'tis anyway.

I've got a uterus of my own, and I'm telling you that if I get pregnant (be it by my husband, some dude, or some rapist), I'm not going to abort. It's just not for me, I'm pretty sure. BUT that doesn't mean that I am going to impose that choice on someone else. Again...key word: choice. So why that is an issue right now w/ Palin, I don't really get. There are much bigger problems for her to address. This is one key reason why I am so dissatisfied w/ her as a VP pick. McCain should've known better, but then again, "pandering" as a practice generally nullified the concept of one "knowing better." I digress...

As for the war, I think the idea of a set timeline for withdrawal is a MUST. I'm sick of us being the freakin' world police, anyways. I didn't expect us to just do nothing after 9/11, but obviously the Bush Administration never really planned on addressing what truly happened anyways...they just wanted to get into Iraq and finish off Saddam.

With regards to the environment, I think that we need to get real about reducing our dependence on foreign oil. I don't necessarily mean drilling, either (though some of that might be neccesary in the short term). The technology exists out there to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels...it's just a bit freakin' clusterfuck trying to get the government and the oil companies and everyone else on the same page. I wouldn't hold my breath on it, personally.

As far as Obama goes, no I don't "love" the guy. I'm sick of seeing him dance on "Ellen," I don't wanna hear about his father anymore, and if one more person uses the words "hope" or "change" around me, I'm gonna vomit up yesterday's dinner (veggie beef soup, in case you were wondering). But the alternative scares me more than the prospect of said upper digestive explosion. So I'll take my chances. I just hope dude man won't make me regret this...

 

09/09/08 1:36 PM

Welcome to the world...either you take a stand and get shot for it or else you have someone telling you there's no gray area and you're either one side or the other. To that comment, I'll take being a terrorist with the ability to think for myself than be an idiotic, self absorbed, holier than thou patriot.

downinit9 posted:
Trent:
I wonder how you arange time to Vote?

Absentee ballots.


On a side note, there's something else that bothers me about the McCain/Palin bill, for months, we were listening to McCain talk about how inexperienced Obama was and all this other shit and then what does he do? He takes a woman who's only been in office for 2 years. wow...that's hypocritical....I found these and just about died:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/iconcryzed/Extras/People/76a3d8f6.jpg

Sorry if it's a little big but really...think about it. It's very one sided, the Democrats can't do it but the Republicans can? How does that work?

Oh...and I'll admit, I was wrong about Down Syndrome, I had it confused for something else. But that still doesn't excuse the fact that her daughter is going to have a baby at 17...that's just tacky. And I have plenty of room to say it, one of my cousins is having a baby and she's 16...and everyone in the family has disowned her (like their gay granddaughter *snarl*) and are treating her like shit save her mother who blames it on the fact her father is dead. Huh? I don't think it's right, I think she's stupid like Palin's daughter but I can also blame the boyfriend who left my cousin soon after he found out she was pregnant....



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09/09/08 2:52 PM

Pepito posted:
http://i36.tinypic.com/eteauh.jpg

OMFG! Perfection!!

 

09/09/08 1:54 PM

Um... I knew who Trent meant, I wanted Trent to PM me and tell me himself, after all her and John M. were here just last week and here again, I'm sure of it, since We're going to be the "battle" ground State.

I'm not here to argue nor will I and I'm sure that's not what your about either.



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09/09/08 2:08 PM

im am comin back to see the next set of shows! plus the site is awesome!spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

 

09/09/08 2:19 PM

blah still no arizona date =[

 

09/09/08 2:27 PM

I'll be back for the next leg, 6+ times. Maybe as many as 12. I have to get the logistics figured out. I'll certainly be in Vegas.

Curi.

P.S. I don't think we can feel proud of this country until we abolish a staunchly bi-partisan system. And unfortunately, that's not gonna happen before this next election.

 

09/09/08 2:37 PM

I'm glad I'm not American, I really wouldn't know who to vote for. Like any politician around the world, each of them will make promises before the election, and whoever gets into power, straight away will forget all about those promises. I believe in the US it is not compulsory to vote, but at the same time it's nice to "put in your two cents' worth" and have your say by voting (whether that does any good or not, I don't know). Anyway, good luck, trust your instincts and hope that they are right. Down here in Australia we have a local government election this Saturday, it's compulsory to vote or we get fined, and I really don't know who to vote for.

 

09/09/08 2:40 PM

Trent, I sincerely appreciate what you have to say about our current political situation.
You comments might open the eyes of some people who might not otherwise give the current election a second thought.
I know you probably won't, but keep the political commentary coming.
Thanks again.

 

09/09/08 2:40 PM

smartin posted:
acurry-h0p3 posted:
We're fucked if Obama takes office. If Bush did one thing, it was that he protected his people from terrorist attacks. Not a single one on American soil since 9/11 - coincidence? McCain won't stand for innocent Americans being killed; Obama won't stand for ruining his public image.

People, we don't have two perfect humans to choose from. The candidates in this and every election prior have flaws. Vote for what's important.


actually only 1 of the 3 ever terriorist attacks on american soil by a non american occured on his watch. And he knew it could and would happen just because it doesnt happen doesnt mean his actions made it so.. example:

no giant asteriods destroyed the earth while clinton was pres so he defended us against them
Bush hasnt protected anyone...execpt himself and his rich war monger friends. more americans have died in a pointless war for oil than died in the attacks. terrorists are still going to come after us and if they wanted could do a lot of harm. We have this false sense of security. the airport by me wont let family members wait at the gate with passangers but anyone can drive up to the terminal and enter the building...you can go to the restroom underthe stairs..in the middle of the building, but cant go upstairs. a lot of harm can be done..we are not safe...just no one has really tried lately.

OH and PS i wouldnt really defend Bush right now...the republican party doesnt even want to be assoiciated with him...i know i watched the conventions..republicans were elling "CHANGE" more than the democrates

No war is pointless. If you really believe that, then you're just throwing the lives of the soldiers away. But answer me this-do you know how many lives 3,000 (# taken at 9/11) isn't? Anyone could assemble a shitty bomb, drive into say downtown L.A. or New York or any large city and easily kill a million people. It's a much less convoluted plot than simultaneously hijacking four planes and flying them into buildings, and it would be way more effective and efficient. After 9/11 we banded together as a country and everyone immediately became patriotic, putting flags in their yards, etc. But only a couple thousand died. If we lose a million people in one attack (about half of a percent of our total population), there won't be a patriotic wave. It'll turn into chaos, people will cower in fear that they will be next, and just about everyone will lose someone that they knew, or loved. Feelings after 9/11, multiply them by 20. We won't have anything to turn to except for the government. And once we retaliate in self-defense (either that or submit to the enemy, remember), our relations with friendly nations will deteriorate and then disappear completely. You can basically kiss your current freedoms and liberties good-bye. The only reason that the terrorists didn't follow their first attack with a second one was because Bush took a strong position against them right away and went after them. One could argue all day about whether the Iraq war is just or not, but you can't really argue that Bush was wrong for doing his part to protect the far majority of the people, especially with the mind-set of the country at the time.

You can't change the past, but you can change the future. You can pick someone who fought in Vietnam and who you can be sure wants the best for the country and will defend it to the extent that he can, or you can pick a man who will bend over and take it when the attacks come, just so he isn't thought of as Bush was.

Oh and PS what do you really know about Bush, or the war, or anything political in the news today, other than what you've been told by the (left) media? My guess would be not much.

 

09/09/08 3:43 PM

We wouldn't NEED to defend ourselves like that if we weren't such pompous assholes policywise. I prefer the strategy that does away with the assholery, rather than being a jackass and carrying a big stick.

 

09/09/08 2:45 PM

Why is this thread still going?! It should have ended with "she's a creationist"

Then we could all get back to the real debate "Trent: Too short, or are we too tall?"

 

09/09/08 3:06 PM

Great post from Trent, really succinct and accurate! It's always good to hear that someone you admire for whatever reason (in this case, music) has similar values and politics. I am from the UK but can empathise - to the extent I can not being an American citizen - about how he feels regarding the current climate, although the American political scene undoubtedly affects the entire world. We live in hope...

p.s. well done Russell Brand on the mtv awards, not afraid to shove in a few opinions and gags that will upset those who are unaccustomed to questioning the norm, i.e, mtv awards ceremonies' people!

 

09/09/08 3:10 PM

Trent, make sure you watch CountDown with Keith Olbermann on MSNBC. Especially this weeks shows, you can go on line to check them out, but try to watch them on T.V. it's far better to me. Keith will keep you updated to what is really go on and Watch Charlie Rose as well on PBS.

Please don't ATTACK me anyone on this forum. I should feel free to inform Trent on great political shows, not that I think Charlie Rose show is a political show, but you all get the point.



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09/09/08 3:21 PM

I know who Trent ISN'T voting for....

 

09/09/08 3:25 PM

US citizens: Nobody wants anyone preaching their opinions at them - particularly a musician - but PLEASE get involved and pay attention to what's happening during this election and try to see through the clutter to the substance of what is or isn't being said.
Wouldn't it be great to feel proud of this country for a change? Seems like it's within reach.


Trent could say he had an ichy asshole and everyone here would love to hear about it.

 

09/09/08 3:27 PM

wait we won in iraq. am i high? well whatever i was on i dont want to do it again that was one bad trip. youre the shizz trent, awesome putting them horns onto year zero.

 

09/09/08 3:30 PM

Site's amazing, Colorado was awesome; and yes we can be proud of this country again!

 

09/09/08 3:32 PM

Pepito posted:
Why is this thread still going?! It should have ended with "she's a creationist"

Then we could all get back to the real debate "Trent: Too short, or are we too tall?"

ha ha! right on, man!

 

09/09/08 3:35 PM

politics make me very, very, very ill.

 

09/09/08 3:36 PM

Light blue touch paper.

Stand well back.



Bravo.

*munches popcorn*

 
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