BlacklightFreakout posted:

tonesource202 posted:

hi folks - server issues.
BLF- banning books you don't approve of is not ok. it's abuse of your status, even if you were elected. using you in a way I am not comfortable with as a scandic/germanic. it's power crazy gone mental. wtf? not getting your point here - fairytales can contain strong messages for the young, ever read the brothers Grimm? Roald Dahl? it's not all disney, hen.

hi val!! book banning/ burning is historically a big no no. even if the books in question may appear to be shite - Palin's Theory on Evolution - whatever, I wouldn't want that banned, it deserves to dig its own grave.

morbidpetal - I agree. But the Church was maybe part of getting the press rolling in the first place. it's a double-edged thing. sorry, not being overly eloquent, but sometimes progress works in ways unintended by the progressors. that's not a bad thing.

Well here is what I have to say about book banning...

Pay attention to people's homes. I have gone into many homes that have huge variety of music collection and even movie collection, yet IF...and I do mean IF, a person has a bookshelf, they don't even own more than 10 freaking books. That is the modern home.

I love a library for educational and intellectual books. And I support libraries being educational institutions for NON-FICTION BOOKS. Only time I accept fiction books is the most popular in the academic world. So I support the right for Shakespeare to exist, or books of poetry. Honestly, I don't give a damn a library wants to ban Dr. Suess Green Eggs and Ham. Or book on Star Wars. The Babysitter's Club or The Cheetah Girls. Buy that crap at the bookstore!


My thing is, the purpose of a library was to expose people to EDUCATIONAL and REFERENCE (informational) material, for self-education. Especially where everybody can not afford to buy book due to their economic background. The library was to provide opportunities for self-education so one can not claim that they didn't get access to education and information material. However, when it comes to entertainment fictional books, I think a person should be buying their own at the bookstore. And buying books is something that people should be doing in the first place.

The library only had a real importance in society when education was not mandatory in or available to everyone. However, this is the 21 century. People's homes should be having books all over the darn place and have library in their home. I do. I got books crawling out of my ears. My small apartment is cluttered with nothing but books and I don't have decent places to store them. I have a library in every room of my home, even in my kitchen. The average home only has a few books, yet people claim that books and education is so important to them. These are probably the same people who fight over Harry Potter being banned in the library.

So in essence, if certain fictional books were banned from the library, so what? Create a library at home. And you can still go to a books store, if that book means that much to you.

And I grew up reading children's books. And quite frankly, many of their little so called fables are not intellectually challenging. I didn't get any strong messages at all from Charlotte's Web, Cinderella, and whatnot. They were nothing but pure entertainment. Nothing wrong with being entertained, but entertainment is not protest material in my opinion.

Again, I have my bias on fiction books. If i want to be entertained in story telling, I think that is what movies are for.

Quite frankly, I would like to see what books that Palin is banning. I have looked online to find an article and came up empty. Articles talk about book banning in general without giving specifics.

tonesource202 posted:

BlacklightFreakout posted:

tonesource202 posted:

hi folks - server issues.
BLF- banning books you don't approve of is not ok. it's abuse of your status, even if you were elected. using you in a way I am not comfortable with as a scandic/germanic. it's power crazy gone mental. wtf? not getting your point here - fairytales can contain strong messages for the young, ever read the brothers Grimm? Roald Dahl? it's not all disney, hen.

hi val!! book banning/ burning is historically a big no no. even if the books in question may appear to be shite - Palin's Theory on Evolution - whatever, I wouldn't want that banned, it deserves to dig its own grave.

morbidpetal - I agree. But the Church was maybe part of getting the press rolling in the first place. it's a double-edged thing. sorry, not being overly eloquent, but sometimes progress works in ways unintended by the progressors. that's not a bad thing.

Well here is what I have to say about book banning...

Pay attention to people's homes. I have gone into many homes that have huge variety of music collection and even movie collection, yet IF...and I do mean IF, a person has a bookshelf, they don't even own more than 10 freaking books. That is the modern home.

I love a library for educational and intellectual books. And I support libraries being educational institutions for NON-FICTION BOOKS. Only time I accept fiction books is the most popular in the academic world. So I support the right for Shakespeare to exist, or books of poetry. Honestly, I don't give a damn a library wants to ban Dr. Suess Green Eggs and Ham. Or book on Star Wars. The Babysitter's Club or The Cheetah Girls. Buy that crap at the bookstore!


My thing is, the purpose of a library was to expose people to EDUCATIONAL and REFERENCE (informational) material, for self-education. Especially where everybody can not afford to buy book due to their economic background. The library was to provide opportunities for self-education so one can not claim that they didn't get access to education and information material. However, when it comes to entertainment fictional books, I think a person should be buying their own at the bookstore. And buying books is something that people should be doing in the first place.

The library only had a real importance in society when education was not mandatory in or available to everyone. However, this is the 21 century. People's homes should be having books all over the darn place and have library in their home. I do. I got books crawling out of my ears. My small apartment is cluttered with nothing but books and I don't have decent places to store them. I have a library in every room of my home, even in my kitchen. The average home only has a few books, yet people claim that books and education is so important to them. These are probably the same people who fight over Harry Potter being banned in the library.

So in essence, if certain fictional books were banned from the library, so what? Create a library at home. And you can still go to a books store, if that book means that much to you.

And I grew up reading children's books. And quite frankly, many of their little so called fables are not intellectually challenging. I didn't get any strong messages at all from Charlotte's Web, Cinderella, and whatnot. They were nothing but pure entertainment. Nothing wrong with being entertained, but entertainment is not protest material in my opinion.

Again, I have my bias on fiction books. If i want to be entertained in story telling, I think that is what movies are for.

Quite frankly, I would like to see what books that Palin is banning. I have looked online to find an article and came up empty. Articles talk about book banning in general without giving specifics.

reading in itself is better than not reading, even if what you're reading can be construed as crap by someone else. Public libraries are a vital source of material for anyone who cares to use them. If they choose to read crap, that's their perogative. they still have the option to read stuff that isn't crap, because it's in the same place. nice to have the option. even if you don't choose to use it.

you're missing the point about children's literature. you're just seeing it from your own perspective. intellectually challenging? no, no need for that, just about people and their odd ways. intellectual is rarely entertaining. but people are. and a lot of those stories expose people and their flaws. don't underestimate kids based on your own experience. it doesn't have to be smart, just something that makes things a little clearer to them about the nature of people. including them and you.

you want a competition as to who has the most books crammed into their tiny apartments? as if that means you're some sort of intellectual commentator on the rest who don't fit into that? sorry, been there, done that - it's a crap arguement for belitteling those who's chosen media is not the book. being able to read and collect books does not equal being any more aware of what's what. just means you think you have more ammo to launch at those you think are illiterate.

not enjoying interacting with you much, feel you're trying to prove too much to too many. My kids read shit, they also read excellent shit. they will continue to read whatever they want, because they were given the chance to read. start editing that before they even get a chance to make up their own minds, you're in trouble. they will find you out. if that is something you are comfortable with, I can only conclude you haven't got kids.