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09/13/08 12:46 AM

That is quite an absurdly long thread title you've got there.

 

09/12/08 11:49 PM

You thought this needed repeating obviously.

 

09/13/08 12:30 AM

So, I am not trying to pick a fight but your thread title suggests that you want us to "get involved" in our government, even if it is something so simple as paying attention to the election. Am I reading that right?

However, your post gives a very defeatist attitude. Starting with the super old quote and then ending with "Let's not kid ourselves, lies and money elect presidents in this country. Until that changes, not much else can."

So, do you want us involved or not? And if not, then I would point out that it will always be like this until we step up and do something.

After all, Margaret Mead once said "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."

 

09/13/08 3:09 AM

http://thatsireland.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tammany-tiger.jpg

 

09/13/08 4:24 AM

Wow, defeatism is so productive. And so ORIGINAL.

Too bad defeatist protests are totally indistinguishable from apathy.

It's not a protest if it just makes you look lazy.

 

09/13/08 5:12 AM

Trent always did have a peculiar relationship with the government.
[www.youtube.com]

 

09/13/08 8:40 AM

posted:
Our founding fathers created this country in order to keep from paying crazy taxes from Britain. It wasn't because they gave a shit about being under Britain rule in general. Nor cared about freedom.

Many of the founding fathers were assholes, especially to anyone who wasn't rich, white, and male. Not great examples to look up to. Quite frankly, they broke away from Britain but acted like Brits to everyone they deemed inferior.

Quite frankly, the founding fathers had lots in common to your Bible Belt Texans.

Just to be pedantic, you guys had the lowest tax rate in the world at the time of the Revolution and the only reason taxes were even imposed on you to start with was to pay your share of defending your homes from the French in the Seven Years War/French and Indian War spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

 

09/13/08 9:54 AM

Dither posted:
Awesome bit over at wired! Thanx for posting the link Rob. I'm sure lots of us have been wondering about technical side regarding the visuals on this tour. I unfortunately couldn't see much due to my height and having rear standing tickets. The parts that I was able to catch blew me away.. far beyond what I had ever expected.

To read that a good chunk of the show is not pre-rendered is astonishing! Jazzmutant kicks butt!! Interactive lasers-who knew..pure genius! The Grand Ma running off windows, wow accident waiting to happen.. though the F.O.H lighting tech is brilliant and a hoot to watch do his thing. One of my fav views was the band between the 2 screens..very cool effect. I had seats directly to the side of stage for one show and was able to view the show from a different perspective. All the set changes and the madness going on backstage which I throughly appreciated. Now I know what I was staring at was called "the brains" smiling smiley The article also cleared up what the heck the antenna looking thing with 3 objects perched atop plopped next to the Grand Ma was! Moment factory did an outstanding job!

Can't wait to see what will happen on the next leg. I thought it would be impossible to outdo what has been done..now I'm curious. Thanks a ton for taking the time to make the show as visually appealing as it is audibly appealing. Something none of us in attendance will soon forget!

I agree. Thanks for posting the article Rob. I was blown away with the whole production and visual in TO and have been raving about it ever since. Now to find that it's "interactive, live and rendered on the fly inside the 3d scene" is amazing! I liked the fact that it's interactive for all the band members, like Josh on Echoplex. Maybe Rob, you need to invent something to replace the Hippotizer?

My favorite parts of the show were Only, Echoplex (nice to read how that occurred) and the whole Ghost's 3D experience. How beautiful to watch and listen too. You could do a whole show on the Ghosts bit!

God I wish I could see the next leg of the tour, my life sucks sometimes, but at least I saw the first incarnation of Lights in the Sky.

Bravo To Rob, Trent and Moment Factory.

That's what interests me about NIN.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2008 08:57AM by sunshine_angel.

 

09/13/08 10:01 AM

I KNOW HOW TRENT REZNOR WILL DIE!!


one day he'll be preforming and one little guitar will be thrown and some of that 40 tons of lights will come crashing on top of his body.


ha

that would be terrible, but pretty ironic.

 

09/13/08 9:16 AM

I just read the article about the special effects and machines. You could never go broke because every time you purchase the latest technology, think of it as an investment. You know you will always book sold out shows...silly! Also about the blue screen of death, that's funny they brought that up because at the Philly show it popped up for a split second and me and my husband caught it and I was like "omg, that's totally like a clue or something..." and my husband was like, "yeah babe, not really, it was the blue screen of death...like what always happens to my xbox when it gets the red ring of death." heh! LOL!

The special effects are mind blowing, not much can be said about them in words because they are so cutting edge and just awesome! They need to be seen. NIN is known for bending reality and being leagues ahead of everyone. Who else do you know can create music like you guys do and then create a visual and physical space for it to live in, inviting thousands to partake in the performance art and space. I'm just so happy my sister and brother in law are coming to the a.c. show with me to finally see what the hell I am always talking about. They make fun of me for being such a nerd about it all! LOL! They listen to NIN and love the music but have never been to a concert and I get that this time!



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09/13/08 9:29 AM

YES!!! The Wired article was fantastic. It did you guys justice, and gave me a deeper understanding of your wonderful show (Uncasville).

...even more INSPIRATION and THRILLS when I see 2 more shows in November!

Thanks for letting us know about this article.

 

09/13/08 11:09 AM

Great article, this tour deserves to be captured on HD cameras. Tell me there's going to be a LITS Blu-Ray and I'll go buy a player right now.

 

09/13/08 10:09 AM

I had no idea how much work went into that show! It was so captivating it looked effortless.

 

09/13/08 10:28 AM

bat21 posted:
Trent always did have a peculiar relationship with the government.
[www.youtube.com]

I haven't laughed like that in ages!!! Read the comments too XD bwahahahaaa!

 

09/13/08 10:31 AM

This is not fair. I'm waiting to see the show (I want it to be like "my fist bj" or similar) . >_<
And all those pics, videos and articles aren't helping.

peace

 

09/13/08 10:41 AM

nested comments - sorry, giving me eyeache. so, just A quote:
blacklightfreakout commented:
You are right, it is their perogative to read whatever. I am just saying, it is my perogative to not care about book bans of books I don't seem important. So yeah, if someone wants to protest...all power to them.

I am just saying, I will get personally get involved and protest with books bans when it comes to intellectual material. Not books on fairy tales.

No, I don't have kids and if I did, "Harry Potter" wouldn't be on their reading material list. Nor my kids will be watching television, except for news. Than again, I am more concerned with creating smart kids that is so brilliant of the mind that they finish high school at age 12 or something than them reading Lords of the Rings. Another book on my crap list.

I apologise for being a bit harsh in my comment last night - that came off a bit shitty. But I still disagree about any type of books being banned for political/ religious reasons. it's a slippery slope. let people (or parents) decide what they are prepared to read/ have their kids read, even though, with kids you may find it difficult to restrict their access to books their friends may recommend. and they won't thank you for it.

the no TV/ no "crap fiction" (my inverted commas) thing is, in my experience (yup, tried, tested, failed - happily) not going to make your kids super intelligent or well-rounded individuals. we all want to do our best for our kids, but if you ban everything fun/ fantasy/ trash, you'll have a socially gauche individual however smart they are. intellectual prowess is overrated if it's at the expense of emotional development. how many child prodigies have you read about that become well-balanced adults? or is that not important for your future children, just so long as they are "smart"? good luck with that one.

 

09/13/08 10:53 AM

I saw the show in ATL and I am going to try to make it to the SC and NC shows. This lighting array is an amazing addition to the show. I actually consider it as another member of the band. Quite amazing and engenuitive.
Keep on Rockin Trent
The Word

 

09/13/08 10:56 AM

the wired article is incredible. that's some package they're putting on, really envious of anyone who's seen the show. if it comes across the pond, would they be able to transport all of that gubbins? it'd cost a fortune in freight alone. touring abroad won't be cheap for any band. just pleased the dollar has strengthened against the pound, may improve our chances in the UK of seeing this live! assuming there's no technical difficulties, that is.

 

09/13/08 11:05 AM

No one is talking about the "National Treasure"-like puzzles?

 

09/13/08 11:31 AM

OH!!!! I so want to see a Year Zero Mini Series! I'm getting that deep down tickle just thinking about it. I've been creating a series of pictures revolving around the "Year Zero" album.
Where does he find the time?

 

09/13/08 12:31 PM

BlacklightFreakout posted:
You are right, it is their perogative to read whatever. I am just saying, it is my perogative to not care about book bans of books I don't seem important. So yeah, if someone wants to protest...all power to them.

I am just saying, I will get personally get involved and protest with books bans when it comes to intellectual material. Not books on fairy tales.

No, I don't have kids and if I did, "Harry Potter" wouldn't be on their reading material list. Nor my kids will be watching television, except for news. Than again, I am more concerned with creating smart kids that is so brilliant of the mind that they finish high school at age 12 or something than them reading Lords of the Rings. Another book on my crap list.

The thing you have to consider though, is the importance of teaching children how to *enjoy* reading. It's a minority of children that will pick up an expository text and automatically love it. I don't think that reading is something children enjoy naturally for most... they need to be taught to enjoy it by parents who read books to them that are fun and engaging *to the child* rather than what the parents would like their kids to read in the long run.

That's why illiteracy is such a vicious cycle... the parents never enjoyed reading growing up, and therefore they present reading to their children as a chore at best and a punishment at the worst... before they even make it to the school age.

Plus, it has been found in numerous studies that reading alone, regardless of the source material, expands vocabulary and mastery of grammar structures, so YES your children will get linguistic benefit that will carry over to other skill groups... even out of Harry Potter.

As to book banning... the government by nature cannot handle grey areas. It doesn't reason, it can't rationalize. It doesn't know the difference between "quality literature" and Danielle Steele. It is dangerous to allow book banning by the government, period.

 

09/13/08 12:33 PM

The Wired article was awesome. I had no idea so many of the effects were "live." Knowing that certainly makes me want to go back and watch a little more closely...

Tulsa here I come?

 

09/13/08 12:38 PM

The Wired article was good, but I want to know MORE... much, much more about how the show is produced.

ROB...erto, IF (if being the operative) you guys do a LitS tour DVD, you should really think about doing some behind the scenes "how it works" supplements. That. Would Be. Slammin.

 

09/13/08 1:42 PM

silent posted:
I just read the article about the special effects and machines. You could never go broke because every time you purchase the latest technology, think of it as an investment.

An investment for a short amount of time. Since technology is so ever rapidly changing, the next tour that rig would be useless.I would think he's currently renting that lighting material.
Other than that, very good article on the inside depth of Led & laser's .. etc for the show.


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09/13/08 1:58 PM

Good article. Loved TR's last quote about being broke!

 

09/13/08 2:54 PM

I like a lot of new direct this tour especially as the audio-visual, but I'm hoping that NIN come to europe this year or at 2009.
And he brings the same show that in U.S.A



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09/13/08 3:09 PM

Wow, Im envious. Hope this tour to come to Europe at its full-scale. I knew about Moment Factory but didnt know how the technology would be implemented into this show. The beatbox for Echoplex is wondrous. I just miss the Jean-Michel Jarre laser-harp (kiddin) These shows scream to be put on film. Sure this article will generate tons of buzz around tech sites on the net btw, itll be cool to have people just curious for the tech behind the show get knocked by the music.

Dugg.



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09/13/08 3:12 PM

Article was exceptionally good. Answered a lot of the production questions I had lingering in the back of my mind. The quote from you at the end was interesting to say the least Trent,,,

"Next time might just be white lights in a club and it's about the music," he says. "Because I'll be broke and that's all I'll have."

You name the club and I'll bring the white lights,,and I would still give you my money to see just that. Just to see someone that is real and doing what makes them happy. Thats enough. Thats all I have ever really wanted at any of your shows. To know that the person behind the words that has given me so much strength over the years truly is real.

 

09/13/08 4:15 PM

I can't believe all the technical aspects going into this tour and can't express my gratitude to everyone who makes it possible. Let me be clear though, no self-respecting NIN fan would walk out of an arena to get a beer or hit the loo during a "slow" song. WTF is wrong with people? These shows keep getting better and better, and it is really cool and new, but even if all the rest of the NIN tours were minimal, scaled-back, or "unplugged" I would still go and love them just as much. It is about the music for me and always will be...

Oh yeah, FUCK U2!!

 

09/13/08 4:21 PM

WOW!!!!!!!!! I would LOVE to have been at one of the big US gigs!!!!!! It would have been MIND-BLOWING!!!!!! Any chance of doing something like that here in Australia??? Please????

 
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