vampirebunnypersonaljesus posted:

But the thing is that Broken seems like a social commentary. Especially Pinion, where the guy is (literally) eating other peoples' shit.

So Broken = social commentary and YZ = political commentary. Sure, a different approach and sound, but still the same (yet evolved) man behind it.

Yeah, it's a short jump from social to political commentary. The symbolism could also be personal or psychological too: in the pages-of-your-diary-you-hope-no-one-reads kind of way. Either applying what's inside to what's outside, or what's outside to what's inside.

For me the biggest difference between the Bush-Era work and what came previously is the anger, and using that as a way to fight back against what oppresses you.

It's interesting that art, as a tool, plays a strong role in his social, political, and personal commentary. Trent seems to be of the opinion that the best way to fight an evil is to force it to look at itself. He's probably not wrong.



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^ And the murderer pooped on the guy's face

Yeah it is sick, so I had to take it in small doses to desensitize myself... starting with the video for Happiness in Slavery. Another social commenary to all of this was Trent's rage towards TVT records at the time. If I knew about this back in my high school years, it would have been much easier to misunderstand all the context behind the graphic violence, dismissing it as "demented" and "gratuitous"; I wouldn't have let myself appreciate and sympathize for Trent as someone oppressed by some record label's ridiculous control over him.



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eh. the broken movie has a weird effect on me. i don't <i>like</i> it, but i don't hate it either.

there is alot of symbolisim in the broken movie that i find very intriguing. (yet, in a very sick and disturbing way.) for example, the flowers being fed by human flesh at the end of happines in slavery, or, well, what we've all just been refering to as "the end of pinion". (see, it still makes me cringe a little to describe it.)

is it something i want to watch everyday? hell no.
do i think it's fun to watch? not at all.

but obviously, it was made to make people wince.
it's the side brutal nine inch nails.
they were making a statement.

oh hey, you want to be disturbed and twisted go buy Faces of Death,
basically its a compilation of people dying caught on camera. Broken cant compare to the the real deal.

You know I never watched it until now. It just didn't cross my mind until I was reading this thread earlier today... at work.. (oops, hehe)

I just don't know what to say, really. It was wonderfully filmed. The black and white scenes were beautiful, and the snuff home footage scenes made it that much more convincing that it was real.

As far as the gore goes... I knew I had started desensitizing myself to stuff like this at a young age for a reason, and this is it. I think how it effects you has a lot to do with how you watch it as well, though. How desensitized you are or your awareness of the subject matter of the film, on your computer with headphones, on HDtv with surround sound, on a 13" with a grainy VHS, in complete darkness or with lights on. Could you imagine what this would be like in the theater? IMAX? And of course, absolutely NOTHING compares to what it would be like if it were happening right in front of your fucking face.

I also think we all have some form of morbid curiosity whether we like to admit it or not. It's in our human nature, it just exists at varying degrees from person to person. There's decaying fall leaves and there's genuine snuff films and everything in between.

We can sit here and discuss Trent's motives for anything he does until the cows come home, but he has decided to shut his mind off from the rest of the world. He's like a 2 way mirror to me. He can see us, but we can't see him. The mind is an intricate and often times dark labyrinth (especially his, jesus), and even though he's changed a lot over the years, and for the better, there are certain things that just... linger... They may be just suppressed.

Surprisingly, the teeth pulling didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I cringe at the American History X curb biting scene and the one in Fight Club where Ed's character is pulling his teeth out. Maybe it's more of the sound....

Anyway, my favorite part was at the end when the rope snapped and the dust poofed everywhere.

Oh and PS- I've seen the Pinion video before.... or something like it. I just can't pinpoint where...



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tekken989 posted:

canisXcore posted:

You know I never watched it until now. It just didn't cross my mind until I was reading this thread earlier today... at work.. (oops, hehe)

I just don't know what to say, really. It was wonderfully filmed. The black and white scenes were beautiful, and the snuff home footage scenes made it that much more convincing that it was real.

As far as the gore goes... I knew I had started desensitizing myself to stuff like this at a young age for a reason, and this is it. I think how it effects you has a lot to do with how you watch it as well, though. How desensitized you are or your awareness of the subject matter of the film, on your computer with headphones, on HDtv with surround sound, on a 13" with a grainy VHS, in complete darkness or with lights on. Could you imagine what this would be like in the theater? IMAX? And of course, absolutely NOTHING compares to what it would be like if it were happening right in front of your fucking face.



I also think we all have some form of morbid curiosity whether we like to admit it or not. It's in our human nature, it just exists at varying degrees from person to person. There's decaying fall leaves and there's genuine snuff films and everything in between.

We can sit here and discuss Trent's motives for anything he does until the cows come home, but he has decided to shut his mind off from the rest of the world. He's like a 2 way mirror to me. He can see us, but we can't see him. The mind is an intricate and often times dark labyrinth (especially his, jesus), and even though he's changed a lot over the years, and for the better, there are certain things that just... linger... They may be just suppressed.

Surprisingly, the teeth pulling didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I cringe at the American History X curb biting scene and the one in Fight Club where Ed's character is pulling his teeth out. Maybe it's more of the sound....

Anyway, my favorite part was at the end when the rope snapped and the dust poofed everywhere.

Oh and PS- I've seen the Pinion video before.... or something like it. I just can't pinpoint where...

what the video where you see the guy wrapped inside the suit drinking waste from the pipes?

Yes.

johnny_ripper posted:

tekken989 posted:

canisXcore posted:

You know I never watched it until now. It just didn't cross my mind until I was reading this thread earlier today... at work.. (oops, hehe)

I just don't know what to say, really. It was wonderfully filmed. The black and white scenes were beautiful, and the snuff home footage scenes made it that much more convincing that it was real.

As far as the gore goes... I knew I had started desensitizing myself to stuff like this at a young age for a reason, and this is it. I think how it effects you has a lot to do with how you watch it as well, though. How desensitized you are or your awareness of the subject matter of the film, on your computer with headphones, on HDtv with surround sound, on a 13" with a grainy VHS, in complete darkness or with lights on. Could you imagine what this would be like in the theater? IMAX? And of course, absolutely NOTHING compares to what it would be like if it were happening right in front of your fucking face.



I also think we all have some form of morbid curiosity whether we like to admit it or not. It's in our human nature, it just exists at varying degrees from person to person. There's decaying fall leaves and there's genuine snuff films and everything in between.

We can sit here and discuss Trent's motives for anything he does until the cows come home, but he has decided to shut his mind off from the rest of the world. He's like a 2 way mirror to me. He can see us, but we can't see him. The mind is an intricate and often times dark labyrinth (especially his, jesus), and even though he's changed a lot over the years, and for the better, there are certain things that just... linger... They may be just suppressed.

Surprisingly, the teeth pulling didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I cringe at th[forum.nin.com] American History X curb biting scene and the one in Fight Club where Ed's character is pulling his teeth out. Maybe it's more of the sound....

Anyway, my favorite part was at the end when the rope snapped and the dust poofed everywhere.

Oh and PS- I've seen the Pinion video before.... or something like it. I just can't pinpoint where...

what the video where you see the guy wrapped inside the suit drinking waste from the pipes?

Yes.

Its on youtube..[www.youtube.com]

tekken989 posted:

johnny_ripper posted:

tekken989 posted:

canisXcore posted:

You know I never watched it until now. It just didn't cross my mind until I was reading this thread earlier today... at work.. (oops, hehe)

I just don't know what to say, really. It was wonderfully filmed. The black and white scenes were beautiful, and the snuff home footage scenes made it that much more convincing that it was real.

As far as the gore goes... I knew I had started desensitizing myself to stuff like this at a young age for a reason, and this is it. I think how it effects you has a lot to do with how you watch it as well, though. How desensitized you are or your awareness of the subject matter of the film, on your computer with headphones, on HDtv with surround sound, on a 13" with a grainy VHS, in complete darkness or with lights on. Could you imagine what this would be like in the theater? IMAX? And of course, absolutely NOTHING compares to what it would be like if it were happening right in front of your fucking face.



I also think we all have some form of morbid curiosity whether we like to admit it or not. It's in our human nature, it just exists at varying degrees from person to person. There's decaying fall leaves and there's genuine snuff films and everything in between.

We can sit here and discuss Trent's motives for anything he does until the cows come home, but he has decided to shut his mind off from the rest of the world. He's like a 2 way mirror to me. He can see us, but we can't see him. The mind is an intricate and often times dark labyrinth (especially his, jesus), and even though he's changed a lot over the years, and for the better, there are certain things that just... linger... They may be just suppressed.

Surprisingly, the teeth pulling didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I cringe at th[forum.nin.com] American History X curb biting scene and the one in Fight Club where Ed's character is pulling his teeth out. Maybe it's more of the sound....

Anyway, my favorite part was at the end when the rope snapped and the dust poofed everywhere.

Oh and PS- I've seen the Pinion video before.... or something like it. I just can't pinpoint where...

what the video where you see the guy wrapped inside the suit drinking waste from the pipes?

Yes.

Its on youtube..[www.youtube.com]

I didn't see it previously on youtube. I just watched the whole thing for the first time on youtube before I made that comment and had a deja vu moment I suppose.

I rented the Hellraiser movies 1 & 2 just to see the rotting corpse that was covered in tons of maggots falling out of it's eye & mouth. It was really fucking disgusting!!! Imagine being dead but leaving your flesh to be eaten away by maggots and bacteria! It was really fucking scary when the girl was hiding from her killer dead uncle a corpse fell out and spilled all these writhering maggots out of it's mouth onto her hand & it's amazing she didn't scream or vomit! She really did value her life because that's nasty! She would have givin away her position to be killed but she kept her cool. Pin Head was real cool though, sucks he's barely in it and is really a human!

Oh yeah! The Broken Movie, yeah Trent was a police man too so I wanted to see that, I saw all of this stuff on Nachtkabarett.com.

UTTERBEN posted:

I still haven't seen it in hi-res.

Better crack out the popcorn...

Its very niiiice!

Yeah! Also the, "I Am In Hell Help Me." hint, "Help Me I Am In Hell."

Also I couldn't help but notice when Pin Head was turning into Pin Head it looked alot like an early scene in Rammstein's, "Mein Teil" music video. Oliver was writhing on the floor and convulsing, familiar. Hmm, I rented those too just because of the NIN relations, to, "Broken." I need to become Tech Smart.

I met those losers that made that cannibal holocaust and they were going to give me a copy of their poor excuse for a move for free but I didn't want it because they killed and tortured animals on set. I'm not a fucking hippie but I think that shit is wrong. So I told them off.

wow, i feel disfunctional..it didnt bother me at all. i liked it.

No. Never. The real thing would be too much. The broke movie was so very badly fake so it wasn't that bad. It reminded me of spaghetti near the end of the film.

i wonder if the broken movie will be released on a DVD along with a deluxe edition of Broken



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