nin.com news 12.11.08: Regarding NIN Music Used at Guantanamo Bay for Torture
 
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12/11/08 1:00 PM

trent reznor posted:
It's difficult for me to imagine anything more profoundly insulting, demeaning and enraging than discovering music you've put your heart and soul into creating has been used for purposes of torture.If there are any legal options that can be realistically taken they will be aggressively pursued, with any potential monetary gains donated to human rights charities.Thank GOD this country has appeared to side with reason and we can put the Bush administration's reign of power, greed, lawlessness and madness behind us.Trent Reznor

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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2008 01:55PM by swindley.

 

12/11/08 2:02 PM

I heard about this story today---kind of shocking and insulting..Glad to here appropriate actions are being taken.

 

12/11/08 1:03 PM

I hear you Trent, get 'em!

 

12/11/08 1:04 PM

uhm... don't get it.

Can anyone tell me what this one is about.
this news probably didn't get it to austria

 

12/11/08 1:05 PM

What is this about? Obviously, NIN's music is being used in some form of punishment. Can someone give the details please? Also, NIN may be able to sue for some kind of public broadcasting of their music.

 

12/11/08 1:05 PM

ninforum posted:
trent reznor posted:
It's difficult for me to imagine anything more profoundly insulting, demeaning and enraging than discovering music you've put your heart and soul into creating has been used for purposes of torture.If there are any legal options that can be realistically taken they will be aggressively pursued, with any potential monetary gains donated to human rights charities.Thank GOD this country has appeared to side with reason and we can put the Bush administration's reign of power, greed, lawlessness and madness behind us.Trent Reznor

I agree that it is demeaning that people use your music in such a terrible manor. You draw in a smart and open minded crowd of people. The stuff you create is a very creative, interesting, new, different, intellectually stimulating, unique, I could go on forever but unfortunately rock is such an accessible form of music that it also draws in a very unwanted dumb/oppositional crowd of people who misuse/misunderstand your work. Hopefully things change very soon. It reminds me of the time people used Sarah Mclachlan's song "Angel" on the Columbine shooting training videos without her permission.

I have a conservative friend who liked your song "Capital G" because he thought it was a pro Bush song. It was his favorite song off of that album.

Art could be a very dangerous thing when it is misunderstood. Look at what happened during Orsen Well's radio broadcast of War of the World.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2008 02:02PM by tien.

 

12/11/08 1:05 PM

NIN music is being used for torture in Guantanamo Bay. The Sesame Street theme song is also used. I am not kidding.

 

12/11/08 1:05 PM

I also heard this just yesterday. Sick, shallow minds who resort to torture - it doesn't surprise me that they cannot comprehend the beauty and strength of Nin, and would pervert it in such a vile way.

 

12/11/08 1:07 PM

I'm glad you said something about it. It's fucking disgusting, honestly.

 

12/11/08 1:07 PM

...interesting kind of torture..hmmm

 

12/11/08 1:07 PM

News story here: [www.msnbc.msn.com]

 

12/11/08 1:09 PM

The news leaked that nine inch nails' music has been used in guantanamo for the purposes of torture, music blaring and repeatedly played (one detainee cited "march of the pigs" as one of the songs used).

I am a 4th year law student in Chile (law is a 6 year program here), and I am appalled that government-condoned activity would include using music - regardless of the artist or genre - to break inmates.

I recently participated in the ellaboration of the world migration report for the UN, which included looking at migratory best practices, including the treatment of foreign detainees in various detention centers throughout the world.

Human rights must be enforced when treating prisoners, regardless of the degree of responsibility in said actions. Degrading actions only undermine the desire most of us in the world have of making a better home for all of us.

Yep, I'm pissed.

 

12/11/08 2:09 PM

The US did a similar tactic when invading Panama in the late 80's. They blasted music into the Vatican embassy to force the dictator (that was appointed by the US in the first place) out of the building. My aunts and uncles still know all the words to "Welcome to the Jungle" even though they can't speak English.

 

12/11/08 1:10 PM

catsch posted:
uhm... don't get it.

Can anyone tell me what this one is about.
this news probably didn't get it to austria

Here you go! AP News Story

What's also obnoxious is the kind of judgments that people will start to make about why certain music was chosen. They will draw incorrect conclusions and make false assumptions about the music and things connected to it.

That being said, the bigger issue is so sad; I'm wondering if there's anything that fans and non-fans alike can do with hindsight to improve any thing related to the situation for the future.

 

12/11/08 2:10 PM

Bravo, Trent. Bravo!

Here's hoping that there is a way to put this sort of thing to an end.

 

12/11/08 1:10 PM

I am always shocked about what horrible things people are capable of ..... Disgusting!! I am sickened by the fact that something I love and cherish was used to hurt someone! Good riddance GW ... good things are yet to come! The torture camps need to go...and hatred and war and greed and power need to cease. Something I will always believe in and continue to strive for is kindness and peace amongst the universal beings.



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12/11/08 1:11 PM

Nail their ass to a wall Trent! Show them that this is not going to be taken lightly! I think that this it total bullshit. Using something that is suppose to bring pleasure, for torture. What the hell has this country come to? angry smiley



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12/11/08 1:11 PM

Holy shit.... that is terrible. WTF is wrong with people!!??!!angry smiley

 

12/11/08 1:11 PM

sue their fucking eyes out!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im physically ill and disgusted!!!!!!!!

 

12/11/08 2:12 PM

you're right, Trent.thumbs up

 

12/11/08 1:13 PM

Thank you for saying something.

 

12/11/08 1:14 PM

Using art as torture? Assholes.

 

12/11/08 1:18 PM

It's frightening to think about things that go on behind closed doors and how utterly deranged some people's perceptions and actions are. I only hope that people continue the trend of reasoning and keep righting all the fucked up wrongs we as a whole have put in motion.

Also, I'm sorry that Trent and everyone involved in the creation of NIN music is on the music-torture bandwagon. I can only imagine the depth of insult and outrage. I seriously hope there is some legal action that can be pursued and I really wish the world wasn't so fucked. Fuck that shit.

 

12/11/08 2:18 PM

Right on, Trent.

 

12/11/08 1:19 PM

WTF

 

12/11/08 1:19 PM

It's a horrible situation all around; though it is a nice thought that with this new administration these scenarios will hopefully be at an end.


And couldn't they have used Abba instead?



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12/11/08 1:19 PM

I also heard about this yesterday. It breaks my heart. I can't imagine a more devastating thing than your art being used to torture another human being. I'm so sorry you have to go thru this.

 

12/11/08 1:20 PM

A horrific injustice on so many levels....

 

12/11/08 1:20 PM

I can't believe that this is happening. I can't believe that ANYONE would think that using someone's art and way of life as a way of torture. This is sick and wrong, and appalling. I am truly sorry Trent that they think this is ok, I hope there is some sort of justice in this matter. The leaders of this country, and anyone who makes those decisions, suck ass.

 

12/11/08 1:20 PM

thats my kind of torture

 
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