I think there's a point in it. Personally I prefer these mixes to the original version, which leaves some of the sound quality to be desired.


With the exception however of MOTP. There are some specific noises in the background of that song's drums that I always liked that are more concealed by bass in the remaster. Other than that, it's very good, better than the PHM remaster with its brickwalling (which again, I still prefer to the original simply because it sounds clearer).



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i like Burn and the Dead Souls cover, and the demos at the end. Those were the only things I bought from iTunes from the Deluxe

jonbob posted:

BenAkenobi posted:

i think i need clarification too: when the description says 2nd disk is also remastered - does it also mean remixed?
i thought it was just simple volume-leveling without extra touches on what we call sound quality.

The stereo tracks have all been remastered ONLY. 5.1 was remixed and remastered.

Thanks, jonbob, that had been bothering me as well. I couldn't find that clarification anywhere!

I loved it and it was certainly worth every penny. I believe that this is a "must have" for any TDS lover.

The 2nd disc also has a stereo SACD layer for those who care. You can pick up an Oppo 95 Blu-ray player and use the stereo balanced outputs and listen to the original SACD layer in DSD without conversion to PCM. The sound is a little less brittle than the CD layer and has an extended top end (both TDS and disc 2).

I don't use my DVD-A disc as I bought both. I wasn't much of a fan of the format as it was tougher to navigate than a CD (because it was also video based). The SACD was much easier to use and reliable when I put the disc in ready to go.

For me, I prefer my music to be free from any video navigation. I just want the music to easily play when I put the disc in without having to navigate a video menu.

I think compression is about the same on both original disc and the new remastered deluxe. The source for one doesn't offer more dynamic range over another. I just bought the original NBK soundtrack, so I'm curious to listen to the CD layer of BURN on both to see if anything sounds different. I like the sound of the SACD very much.



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I would have done the comparison when these titles first came available...2004...wow...so long ago. As far as I know, they are both sourced from the same 5.1 mix. There would be no reason for Trent to make two different 5.1 mixes. As far as mastering...well, what do you mean, really? The SACD needs to be converted from PCM to DSD. To truly hear the SACD, you need a disc player that will play back all native DSD without PCM conversion. Most universal players convert to PCM for their DACs because the cheap DACs won't do DSD. The Oppo players will do native DSD, as will some home theater pre-amps. The DVD-A edition of TDS is MLP (a form of lossless compression for PCM data) so it just needs to be decompressed, but I'm sure it's not that simple either.

I think on the average consumer system, the differences are negligable. Pick one or the other to listen to and enjoy. Virtually all of us will never hear what these discs had to offer because 5.1 equipment (players, receivers, preamps) have generally crappy parts inside...even the $5000 - $10 000 surround preamplifiers are no better as price is not always an indicator of high quality sound. The only surround processor I'd consider would be the Theta Casablanca III-HD with Extreme DACs...better yet, bypass all internal volume controls, use the upcoming digital out card to send to 4 Theta Generation VIIIv3 pre-amp/DACs and then we can actually hear some real audio.

I'd like to revisit this title using the new Oppo BDP-95 with the balanced out connectors. Years ago I was using a Denon DVD-3910 which did native DSD and MLP. I've since boxed the unit up once I bought a real CD player to play the CDs. Now that I've got some nice playback equipment, I'll put the Oppo in to give these two discs a spin. I suspect there should be no difference between these formats, but you never know. As I've said before, I prefer the simplicity of SACD. But the days of spinning discs are over anyways...

If I don't have a high-end 5.1 system or anything, and listen to all my music through a pair of ear buds, is there any reason to own the remastered version?