"These guys were the real deal…"

"These guys were the real deal…"

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02/19/09 5:13 PM
EvilStarLegacy member Joined: 01/07/09 Posts: 28	I was thinking about this and wondered who Trent Reznor refered to when he said "poseurs and pussies"? You'd think someone like Reznor would be a little bit more open minded and let other musician do their stuff without insulting them, even if hates it. I'd understand he might have bad relationships with a bunch of artists and might feel the need to say that, but to blatantly say this for no apparent reason really made him look like a asshole. I don't know. What do you guys think? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/19/2009 06:05PM by leo3375.
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02/19/09 5:22 PM
saimagery member Joined: 11/24/07 Posts: 216	I'm with Trent. It seems like so many bands are just getting a music career so they can end up on Last Night's Party standing next to Kanye West.
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02/19/09 6:49 PM
Kittyghosts member I'm just a worm... Joined: 04/12/08 Posts: 2,740	Nah, I agree with Trent. Music sucks now because its all about being in style and making money.
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02/19/09 6:56 PM
EvilStarLegacy member Joined: 01/07/09 Posts: 28	So that's what he meants by "poseurs" then. I kind of got carried away and saw insults in there, but I guess it's true. Then again, I tend to listen to a various amount of bands, from Disturbed to 3 Doors Down, that are generally pretty much hated everywhere. So I guess it kinda fits right into here.
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02/19/09 7:35 PM
Kittyghosts member I'm just a worm... Joined: 04/12/08 Posts: 2,740	Not criticizing you but I definitely think Disturbed are posers who use cheap, uncreative methods to reel in fans. For example, the classic fist in the air...
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02/19/09 9:38 PM
Laur1981 member just like heaven Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Your Imagination Posts: 1,041	saimagery posted: I'm with Trent. It seems like so many bands are just getting a music career so they can end up on Last Night's Party standing next to Kanye West. i agree.
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02/19/09 10:40 PM
nonentity23 member i need my prozac. Joined: 09/04/08 Location: Monterrey%2C Mexico Posts: 416	... have you ever heard the cover 30 seconds to Mars do to Closer ? i mean that just says it all.
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02/19/09 10:49 PM
forkintheeye member Joined: 08/15/08 Posts: 5,673	EvilStarLegacy posted: I was thinking about this and wondered who Trent Reznor refered to when he said "poseurs and pussies"? You'd think someone like Reznor would be a little bit more open minded and let other musician do their stuff without insulting them, even if hates it. I'd understand he might have bad relationships with a bunch of artists and might feel the need to say that, but to blatantly say this for no apparent reason really made him look like a asshole. I don't know. What do you guys think? Why have you decided that it was for no apparent reason? A lot of people in a variety of industries are mimicking their predecesors to get ahead &/or not willing to go about earning their successes without being part of a marketing machine. I don't think he has to name names. Kittyghosts posted: Not criticizing you but I definitely think Disturbed are posers who use cheap, uncreative methods to reel in fans. For example, the classic fist in the air... Okay, I don't care about Disturbed one way or another, but how is a fist in the air (which you said was classic) supposed to reel in a fan?
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02/19/09 11:28 PM
Shitfuckdamn There's my Chippy! Joined: 07/01/08 Location: EVERYWHERE IN THE US Posts: 1,454	forkintheeye posted: Kittyghosts posted: Not criticizing you but I definitely think Disturbed are posers who use cheap, uncreative methods to reel in fans. For example, the classic fist in the air... Okay, I don't care about Disturbed one way or another, but how is a fist in the air (which you said was classic) supposed to reel in a fan? People like getting fisted.
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02/19/09 11:36 PM
Anti455 member Art is Resistance Joined: 06/02/08 Location: South Africa Posts: 12	nonentity23 posted: ... have you ever heard the cover 30 seconds to Mars do to Closer ? i mean that just says it all. Thats terrible.... 30 seconds to pretentiousness are terrible. Most music of today is terrible. I WANT THE 80's back
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02/19/09 11:41 PM
Kittyghosts member I'm just a worm... Joined: 04/12/08 Posts: 2,740	forkintheeye posted: Kittyghosts posted: Not criticizing you but I definitely think Disturbed are posers who use cheap, uncreative methods to reel in fans. For example, the classic fist in the air... Okay, I don't care about Disturbed one way or another, but how is a fist in the air (which you said was classic) supposed to reel in a fan? I guess to make them feel like they are standing up for something. I don't really want to get into an argument about it, I mean that's not the only reason I don't care for Disturbed. And I definitely don't think every band who uses that symbol are trying to reel in fans. I mean, Trent refers to it sometimes, as does RATM which I like. But some bands kinda throw their fists up and don't have much to say about it.
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02/20/09 12:12 AM
EvilStarLegacy member Joined: 01/07/09 Posts: 28	I'm a Powerman 5000 fan and during a concert he had everyone put his fist up in the air and delivered some kind of "power to the people" speech or something. It wasn't so bad and it fits with twhat PM5K is all about. Mmmm I thought I replied a little earlier... Anyway, I don't think we can really blame music artists, aside from their total lack of creativity, for getting into the marketing machine. That's the only way to live from your music. Make mainstream rock or dance pop that every radio station is going to play, even if nobody can tell your band away from every other ones. These guys like music and they want to live from it. The final result is that listening to the radio sucks. It's not like if I disagree with Trent. There's a reason I don't listen to the radio anymore. It's the biggest borefest ever. Reznor is lucky. There's nobody like him in the music industry and he had 20 years to establish a fan base. Once in a while we'll get a band that sounds unique but they'll eventually change their music around a bit to get radio airtime. And while we can't blame them for not wanting to work at Wal-Mart while making music, we can blame them for falling in and becoming a carbon copy of everything else around. Nobody could do like Nine Inch Nails does right now though. And considering the music industry is getting more and more categorized as time goes by, I don't think anyone has the balls to stand up and say "**** the record labels, I'm making it on my own". They won't. They better get ready to get a part(or full) time job. That won't keep me from listening to them though. Bands like Shinedown and Staind, no matter how mainstream they sound, they all have this little thing that nobody else have, whether it's the frontman's voice or the way they play one of the instruments. It's also part of why I listen to Disturbed. The bass and guitar are nothing to write stories about. I'm pretty sure the guitarist has been using the same 3 or 4 chords since the Sickness days. BUT, Draiman has this unique voice which coupled with the drums give them that little intensity that no other similar bands have. Now I'm not sure why I'm debating with myself... I guess what I'm trying to say is that yeah, mainstream music sucks ass, but even if we all hate it, we can understand why they do it. But we can let them live in their own world and not pay attention to them. Oh, and that Closer cover by 30TM? That sounded more like a guy dying trying to sing the chorus. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2009 12:13AM by EvilStarLegacy.
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02/20/09 5:17 AM
Samwel_X member Joined: 02/20/08 Posts: 316	Popular music of all kinds is complete shit these days. Why? Because even bands are just manufactured, they are like random guys put together who have little talent. Take people like 30 Seconds to Mars (that cover is complete bollocks by the way) they are just N*Sync with guitars. The way the industry works, and we all know this, is that they get hold of something, it becomes popular and then a whole bunch of other identical bands appear. The music industry makes money by whoring what is popular, and the little bastards in the bands get their 15 minutes that they are seemingly so desperate to have. Gone are the days of artistic integrity, Trent is one of the lone stars in that department, he knows it, we know it. He has every single right to critise the crappiness of the current wave of "artists" (sell outs) and how the industry works, because there is no longer art, no longer any real feeling, no longer any real soul. Just the cock of money firmly in people's mouths.
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02/20/09 10:09 AM
alien_fetus member god damned me Joined: 11/30/07 Location: Bumfuk%2C WV Posts: 118	What grinds my gears is how at one point, you were a sell-out piece of shit if you only made music for money and fame. Now, it's "cool" to write songs about how money and fame and bullshit is all you care about. Mainstream music today is about as hollow as the music industry's soul, and I think that's what Trent was talking about. Everything is just a copy of the last big thing, and the bands don't even bother hiding it anymore. (I mean look how many Nickleback ripoffs there are out there!)
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02/20/09 10:11 AM
forkintheeye member Joined: 08/15/08 Posts: 5,673	Kittyghosts posted: I guess to make them feel like they are standing up for something. I don't really want to get into an argument about it, I mean that's not the only reason I don't care for Disturbed. And I definitely don't think every band who uses that symbol are trying to reel in fans. I mean, Trent refers to it sometimes, as does RATM which I like. But some bands kinda throw their fists up and don't have much to say about it. Gotcha. I guess to me it just means pumping your arm with the music. shrug Maybe I'm old. Oh, also, manufactured bands are nothing new. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2009 10:12AM by forkintheeye.
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02/20/09 11:25 AM
Beatrix member Joined: 07/04/08 Location: UK Posts: 399	nonentity23 posted: ... have you ever heard the cover 30 seconds to Mars do to Closer ? i mean that just says it all. Wow thats terrible. LOL
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02/20/09 10:56 AM
ShannonG member Joined: 11/26/07 Location: Near the gates of Daleys Posts: 31	alien_fetus posted: What grinds my gears is how at one point, you were a sell-out piece of shit if you only made music for money and fame. Now, it's "cool" to write songs about how money and fame and bullshit is all you care about. Mainstream music today is about as hollow as the music industry's soul, and I think that's what Trent was talking about. Everything is just a copy of the last big thing, and the bands don't even bother hiding it anymore. (I mean look how many Nickleback ripoffs there are out there!) agree with above You know it's really sad where music today is, it's sickening actually. I watch how some of todays rap artists are sitting here with millions of dollars because they looped 2 measures of music together and say the same 3 f***in sentences over and over. Has today's youth gotten that lazy. What happened to actually feeling the music, I honestly think I'm getting to old for todays music. Synthesized voices, degrading women (and what's sad is the women who like that crap) artist who don't write from the heart and just what they know they can sell. Don't get me wrong I understand the need to "make" it, but come on. I have an 8yr old daughter and I try so hard to keep that crap away from her. I miss the days of soul, of blues, of really good rock, people who laid out their feeling and you felt it in their voice and through the music. NOW....NOW you can't even tell if that person is singing or synth'd to death. UGH just digusts me.. I have to agree with Trent on this one... Sorry for the rant..must have been all the coffee this morning.. lol
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02/20/09 12:25 PM
xjinxremoving member meow; kitty has claws. Joined: 02/09/09 Location: beyond the wall Posts: 569	nonentity23 posted: ... have you ever heard the cover 30 seconds to Mars do to Closer ? i mean that just says it all. Ugh, I just listened to that. It sounds like he's dying or something.
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02/20/09 1:00 PM
tcrock member Joined: 02/20/09 Posts: 55	I think it's important to distinguish, Trent specifies "corporate rock" in his note. I'm sure he knows, like everyone does, that there is viable music out there today......most of it as usual, is underground, and not backed by any lable....thus, never really getting the chance to succeed. That's one of the things about the Legacy of Jane's, which is why Trent speaks to it in those terms (at least I think so, who knows but Trent). Jane's was born out of a scene that produced the shit that used to be called glam rock back in the late 80's/early 90's...... Perry helped put an end to that shit in the late 80s with their Triple X release and then with Lollapalooza by providing a venue for his own band and NIN , Henry Rollins, Butthole Surfers, etc...to put some music with genuine artistic integrity at the forefront. Of course then there was Nirvana, Pearl Jam and the Seattle bands to put the final crush to the crappy music (the popular corporate music) of the time. Today, the same shit is going on, just a bit of a differnt style of crap......another movement like that in the early 90's is needed......but it's even tougher now with the sad state of the music biz in general.
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02/20/09 1:22 PM
The Perfect Chris member Unstoppable Joined: 09/04/08 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,216	xjinxremoving posted: nonentity23 posted: ... have you ever heard the cover 30 seconds to Mars do to Closer ? i mean that just says it all. Ugh, I just listened to that. It sounds like he's dying or something. Curiosity got the best of me, boy do I regret that But nonetheless it's pretty clear what Trent means, and I agree with him
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02/20/09 2:21 PM
johnny_ripper member it's awfully considerate Joined: 02/15/08 Location: desolation row Posts: 5,449	nonentity23 posted: ... have you ever heard the cover 30 seconds to Mars do to Closer ? i mean that just says it all. The fact that bad music is everywhere, i can live with it. But when shitty bands cover great songs, this is when i want to get involved. If you create your own shit that's okay, that you say that great bands inspire you, that's... i guess okay but still a pain in the ass, but that you destroy a masterpiece, that's wrong, and it litterally kills music.
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02/20/09 2:37 PM
peacenin member Goo Day I Must Say!! Joined: 11/19/08 Location: Gutterville Posts: 13,865	Listen to the radio .... and you'd have to agree. Man, there is a whole pile o crap out there these days. Plus Trent is a rebel ....
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02/20/09 3:50 PM
EvilStarLegacy member Joined: 01/07/09 Posts: 28	Glad the thread picked up. You guys brought various points that changed my view. I guess my big problem was that I'm a fan of some of those bands that everyone hates. Guess I just have a problem with the concept of people thinking some of the bands I like are in it to make money when that's not the vibe I get from them.
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02/20/09 4:46 PM
PopularHostage member Joined: 01/15/09 Location: London Posts: 42	I think I know what he means, that kind of Chad Croegar nobby, especially the ones in the 90's, loads of rock bands all with over inflated egos, chatting and singing utter bollocks, wanting to be seen at every celeb show, I sadly feel Manson was a tad like this 'round the late 90's? Rock stars who start off all moody and dark, then get some fame and money behind them and suddenly are less raw, more mum/dad friendly and hanging with chat show hosts! One thing that Trent will always have is his dignity - good on im! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2009 04:46PM by PopularHostage.
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02/20/09 5:40 PM
EvilStarLegacy member Joined: 01/07/09 Posts: 28	The funny thing about Nickelback is that they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time. They made soft rock popular and they're reponsible for the state of the music industry right now. Even on iTunes, if I read a review for an album, at one point Nickelback will be named. I kind of feel sorry for them to some degree. Back when they started they were pretty much the only one with that style. Nowadays everyone hates them for ever picking up an instrument. I'm pretty sure if they would have changed their style a bit around and get away from the soft rock scene with their second album they wouldn't be hated so much. Then again, at this point, **** them.
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02/20/09 7:33 PM
kholdstare666 member Joined: 02/20/09 Posts: 7	nonentity23 posted: ... have you ever heard the cover 30 seconds to Mars do to Closer ? i mean that just says it all. Jesus Christ, that made my ears bleed.
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02/21/09 5:50 AM
Zchick member Joined: 01/23/08 Location: Indy Posts: 9	Back in '89, when I was 18, I found Pretty Hate Machine, and I went nuts for Trent. My then jack hole boyfriend said that NIN was a "one hit wonder" and would never amount to anything. This coming from a man who listened to Winger. Yeah, jack hole. I'm proud to say that I didn't listen to anybody when it came to music. I listened to what I WANTED. And I wanted to listen to NIN. I bought everything I could get my hands on. Vinyl, obscure, over-seas. Everything. I'm proud to say that I listen to Trent because he has substance, and yes he is a rebel. Because he makes music that HE WANTS TO, NOT BECAUSE HE'S TOLD TO. And I admire that.
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02/22/09 1:13 PM
thedownwardslip member Joined: 10/18/08 Location: dublin kingswood ireland Posts: 504	Laur1981 posted: saimagery posted: I'm with Trent. It seems like so many bands are just getting a music career so they can end up on Last Night's Party standing next to Kanye West. i agree. i agree and this fucking emo/scene trend going around first thing they all wear the same clothes and look the same listen to the same music they have to follow this style cut their wrists when they dont even have many problems and think its cool to act depressed and then they claim they dont conform when they all look exactly the same now they are poseurs Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2009 01:14PM by thedownwardslip.
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02/22/09 1:18 PM
thedownwardslip member Joined: 10/18/08 Location: dublin kingswood ireland Posts: 504	thedownwardslip posted: Laur1981 posted: saimagery posted: I'm with Trent. It seems like so many bands are just getting a music career so they can end up on Last Night's Party standing next to Kanye West. i agree. i agree and this fucking emo/scene trend going around first thing they all wear the same clothes and look the same listen to the same music they have to follow this style cut their wrists when they dont even have many problems and think its cool to act depressed and then they claim they dont conform when they all look exactly the same its not even about the music anymore its about the style that goes with it with those guys,i bet you half of them dont listen to the bands they say they do,and all the emo bands try and look the same as the other ones and have the same hairstyles as them,they all have to look the same now they are poseurs
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02/22/09 1:52 PM
snaapz member Joined: 11/24/07 Location: Classified Posts: 1,147	I agree with the being open to all musicians creations, but sometimes that's not the case. There are companies that take a group of good looking boys, put a guitar in their hands and have them play simple basic guitar lines, drum lines, bass lines and lyrics a 8 year old girl could write up with no real meaning behind it ... more puppets than musicians, spokesmen with a guitar ... Note the car on the stage ... Note the media ... ... whats really going on here?
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