You should try the album Still. Particularly the instrumentals, such as Adrift and at Peace and Leaving Hope.

While you may never end up being a huge NIN fan, it seems like you could appreciate these at least to some extent. Also, his live recordings tend to be stronger and better than his album versions. He usually approaches the live and studio recordings differently.

I've come across quite a few people who had the wrong ideas about NIN. It reminds me of how I've come across a lot of people who say they don't like Rammstein but the only song they know is Du Hast. Like NIN and Closer. These same people, when they hear more than the two singles they heard on the radio, suddenly they have more appreciation for the band. Fancy that. It's also why I find 'singles' really annoying. It creates ignorance.

NIN is very open ended music. If you listen to Ghosts I-IV you can really see how open the music is without vocals. There really is no restrictions with the music. Ghosts 28 and 34 are great examples.

As stated above too, NIN fans are notoriously touchy. It doesn't really matter what you say here or where. You'll have more ignorant asshole ego-maniac responses than constructive ones. It's unfortunate but it's the price you pay with an open ended community with a massive fanbase. It's garbage like this that prevents someone like Trent from posting on things like Twitter or even his own message board a lot of times.

It's cool though, that you took the time to understand. It's also incredibly sad and immature that people such as the above post calling you a douchebag need to waste their time attacking. It's incredibly unnecessary.

I try to do similar things that you're trying to do with a lot of different types of music, so I can respect that.

But this IS a huge rabid fanbase so anonymity means a larger e-penis. That rarely ends well. However, where there's shit, there's gold. There's a lot of educated, brilliant people around here as well. That is also another thing we're notorious for along with being OCD and excessively defensive and touchy.



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just blast "heresy" over and over.

dontunderstandnin actually reminded me of something that happened to me a few years ago.

A gentleman in my small town that had seen me around a few times bumped into me on the street one day and asked me why I liked to dress the way I did. He went on to explain that he had no idea why someone might like to wear the sort of clothes that I had, but was careful to point out that he was curious and was in no way trying to offend me. I couldnt even come up with a good, long, detailed response. All I could think was "It just feels right. Im not really....comfortable any other way." (which is also how I feel about NIN)

I was actually quite flattered that he went out of his way to ask. In real life, Im quite an imposing/scary person to the point that several of my friends have told me they were "Scared to talk to me" before they found out how i really am once you get to know me.

With that, I must say kudos to dontunderstandnin for going out of his way to make an account on a bands' website he doesnt even like, all in an effort to come up with a few answers to something that seems to baffle him (or, its seems not so much anymore perhaps, after these last few pages of posts).

I can only hope he DOES understand that no matter where you go, there are always a few stupid jack@z$3$ out there and that the few who made it onto this thread havent skewed his more detailed view of NIN fans to a bad degree.



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Yesh! :B (NSFW???)

Monique posted:

... I like pretty, cute and cuddley things ...

I like those too. Kittens and unicorns and such. x)
...
I'm also impressed with the super-wide range of nin music.



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I love NIN because that man has somehow found a way to make fascinating, layered music that can pluck any emotion or feeling in my heart and can relate to anything going on in my life, be it a high or a low. I love NIN because he's done something all by himself..produce, sing, play, record, perform, etc. all on his own whim (obviously the live performances with the help of others). There's no other band that I can listen to EVERY day without getting tired of. He has such a variety in his music. That's not mentioning how every sound adds to the songs, every breath is an instrument, and every word is poetry.

Hope that clears it up.

dontunderstandnin posted:

Where did I judge anyone? I personally do not like the music. I can tell you without doing any more listening that I will never like the music. I AM interested in why some people DO like the music. I'm also curious whether most fans of NIN are also fans of the music videos and other imagery that depicts morbid and horrific things. I'm not saying it's "bad" to like those things, I'm just wondering if they are tied together or separate.

I don't know if you are just used to being judged, but you're response sounds somewhat insecure. I have no problem with people who like different things than I like. I actually find it interesting, which is obviously why I'm here...

I respect you, you speak without any malice towards the fans. yes some of his lyrics are pure flth. filth that he craved and gave to us. many of his fans are cocks just like with tool, maynard james keenan really doesnt get on with 50% of his fan base. but most of us are good hearted, sensitive souls who like a good scream. theres my answer to you. he has helped me through his sounds and explorations . rock music will never die, and in all honesty led zeppelin were just as filthy. think about it. thats my two quid.

I think the OP is a troll.

TACOS!

Whoa, this thread? I forget how it ended, but yes OP. We're all sociopaths and shit up in here.

for me it's a fascinating topic, because:

you would never guess by looking at me, that i love nin-music; never
people, which get to know this, look at me like i made a bad joke
i don't like any more "signs" on my outer face/cloths, which would speak of anything i have inside
just a little introduction.
but.

i really do have a fascination for morbid things. i don't like horror movies, and i wouldn't go for seeing real dead bodies. but i like the rost, the disgusting animals in NIN's videos, and i used to describe (for myself, because i don't believe many people would understand) my inner life with "monsters" and "worms" and so on. i totally dig the aesthetics of the videos like "closer" and lyrics like in "reptile". (the direction would be also the aesthetics of aphex twin.)
i don't love sculls in particular, but accept them in context.
don't love vulgarity but like the obscene
(don't like MM)
i like things like old medical drawings, which look really scary

and the most stupid thing about me, i would get scared if somebody in front of me would really show, how much he/she digs those things. i for myself love those things.
for example, i was so into the video of "pinion" as i saw it for the first time, i was shocked and at the same time totally attracted by it. if somebody would say "hey, how cool is that" i would shrug.

oh i forgot. i love the places trent chose for most videos or promo-shootings. those strange, some of them dark, forgotten, abandoned, lonely places.

so, it's important i think to have artists, who dare to show these things, because we (generally) don't. who can transpose them or transform them in the way so we can "eat" them.
sure, it's a game with the boundaries - how far can you go, how much do you want to see and to know (but that's a very broad discussion). but still it has to be said for being as a mirror for those, who can't tell. there's a distance then through the artistic approach to the things, which could else make (and they do) you crazy.

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fuck i forgot the sounds.
well, i don't want to convert anybody here, if you don't like something you don't take it/eat it/listen to it. some things are made for other ages, too. you can start to like something later or stop liking it (like no kid would eat bittersweet chocolate and then as a grown up person he/she would love it).
for me it has the right proportions of bitterness, sadness, rage, violence, anarchism, nihilism and then again tenderness and consolation. no compromises.

i'm loosing myself in appreciation : )

i mean, i need these sounds, i don't know if they are distgusting. i don't think they are made to be just disgusting, and that's the point for me in the comparison to many other bands/artists.



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i love the lyric's of his music...just listen to the words, an the music sound that goes with the lyric's, just blend so well, together...