Do NIN fans have a fascination with morbid, grisly, grusome things?

Do NIN fans have a fascination with morbid, grisly, grusome things?

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08/10/09 11:36 AM
jayetheartist member IT'S A SOCIAL MORAY!!! Joined: 05/09/08 Location: bloggedbyjaye.blogspot.co Posts: 10,529	RodrigoD posted: jayetheartist posted: RodrigoD posted: I think saying that there is a fascination with the gruesome/taboo is like saying I love my wife just because she has a killer ass (which she does, btw). Pics? Coming soon. No pun intended. lolz! Awesome.
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08/10/09 11:47 AM
dontunderstandnin member Joined: 08/09/09 Posts: 11	Thank you for all the responses. I've already stated that I was wrong/mistaken/misinformed about most of the music + videos being the way that I thought they were. Again, I made assumptions based on "Closer" and reading about the Broken video. To those who continue to say "don't judge", I'm not judging you. In my original post I said one of my best friends is a big fan of NIN. I just find it interesting to see why you like this band. Nowhere did I say, "do all nine inch nails fans like disgusting things?" Please stop being defensive, I'm not attacking. I'm sure you are probably used to actual trolls, but I'm just curious and naive about this music. Thanks again for the responses.
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08/10/09 12:10 PM
AnnaDraconida member FAPPITY FAP Joined: 07/20/08 Location: Boner Cuntry Posts: 7,028	...then again, I could also ask you WHY you like Bob Dylan when it really just sounds like all sorts of disgustingness to me.
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08/10/09 12:31 PM
jayetheartist member IT'S A SOCIAL MORAY!!! Joined: 05/09/08 Location: bloggedbyjaye.blogspot.co Posts: 10,529	dontunderstandnin posted: Nowhere did I say, "do all nine inch nails fans like disgusting things?" Well, to be technical, the title of the thread does ask that very question.
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08/10/09 12:45 PM
dontunderstandnin member Joined: 08/09/09 Posts: 11	AnnaDraconida posted: ...then again, I could also ask you WHY you like Bob Dylan when it really just sounds like all sorts of disgustingness to me. And that would be fine with me. I would say that I like Bob Dylan because he says things that many people feel but are unable to express. I like Bob Dylan because, to me, he is simply the best songwriter I've ever come across. I also like Bob Dylan because, even though many many other singers have better voices, none of them could take one of his songs and sing it with the same sincerity/earnestness that he does. I'm sorry if it offends you that some NIN songs "sound like all sorts of disgustingness to me", but they do. I have no problem if you feel the same about Dylan...
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08/10/09 12:47 PM
dontunderstandnin member Joined: 08/09/09 Posts: 11	jayetheartist posted: dontunderstandnin posted: Nowhere did I say, "do all nine inch nails fans like disgusting things?" Well, to be technical, the title of the thread does ask that very question. I guess you are right about that, but I didn't mean for it to ask if ALL fans do. I was simply asking if you as a NIN fan do. I really was trying not to work with generalizations when I could get it from each of your mouths instead.
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08/10/09 1:08 PM
AnnaDraconida member FAPPITY FAP Joined: 07/20/08 Location: Boner Cuntry Posts: 7,028	dontunderstandnin posted: AnnaDraconida posted: ...then again, I could also ask you WHY you like Bob Dylan when it really just sounds like all sorts of disgustingness to me. And that would be fine with me. I would say that I like Bob Dylan because he says things that many people feel but are unable to express. I like Bob Dylan because, to me, he is simply the best songwriter I've ever come across. I also like Bob Dylan because, even though many many other singers have better voices, none of them could take one of his songs and sing it with the same sincerity/earnestness that he does. I'm sorry if it offends you that some NIN songs "sound like all sorts of disgustingness to me", but they do. I have no problem if you feel the same about Dylan... See, this is the problem with your post. I do NOT think that Bob Dylan is a good songwriter, or worthy of his success at all, but do I sign up on a Bob Dylan fan forum with the alias "whythefuckisbobdylanpopular" and start asking potentially offensive questions from his fans? ...no.
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08/10/09 2:21 PM
jayetheartist member IT'S A SOCIAL MORAY!!! Joined: 05/09/08 Location: bloggedbyjaye.blogspot.co Posts: 10,529	dontunderstandnin posted: jayetheartist posted: dontunderstandnin posted: Nowhere did I say, "do all nine inch nails fans like disgusting things?" Well, to be technical, the title of the thread does ask that very question. I guess you are right about that, but I didn't mean for it to ask if ALL fans do. I was simply asking if you as a NIN fan do. I really was trying not to work with generalizations when I could get it from each of your mouths instead. Well, a few points (and at the risk of engaging in some generalizations): 1. NIN fans are notoriously touchy. You probably weren't warned about this. We (collectively, although not without exception) tend to overreact to things. A lot. Even to each other and even to things Trent says and does. It's not necessarily wise to poke at the NIN fanbase if you want to keep your fingers intact. 2. The point of the more "disgusting" lyrical and visual references is not to be morbid or gruesome or whatnot. It's all metaphorical. It means something, and it's the meaning that resonates, not the imagery itself. 3. I wouldn't expect too many fans to talk in too much detail about why they're so into NIN, since for the most part the emotional content of the songs is fairly dark and echoes the kind of feelings and thoughts that people don't tend to talk about with people they aren't sure will understand. I would try and explain exactly why NIN resonates with me in ways that no other music does, but any time I've tried I've been unsuccessful in coming up with the right words to really explain it without telling a life story's worth of rather personal things that I'm fairly sure you're not interested in hearing. My therapist could probably explain it better than me. I can assure you, though, that you won't find very many NIN fans who would say they like NIN 'cause they think rotting pig carcasses and snuff films are totally bitchin'.
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08/10/09 4:08 PM
Laur1981 member just like heaven Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Your Imagination Posts: 1,041	I could spend hours typing a reply to this, but in short, we're all individuals with a wide variety of interests and tastes in music. I'll just simply say this. Nine Inch Nails is my favourite music, and has been since the early 1990's. My other favourite band is The Beatles. I also love Bob Dylan and The Rolling Stones. I also love a great many other bands of varying styles. I have absolutely no interest or fascination with morbid, grisly, gruesome things. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/10/2009 04:08PM by Laur1981.
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08/10/09 5:46 PM
RightWhereItBelongs96 member I'd Give Anything Joined: 02/25/09 Location: Uniontown%2C PA Posts: 648	Is masturbation considered a morbid, grisly, grusome thing? Anyways, I'm a huge NIN fan. I listen to other bands and I play video games. I go to school and make my own music. Is that a grusome thing Mr. Douchebag who asked that question? Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/10/2009 05:49PM by RightWhereItBelongs96.
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08/10/09 6:03 PM
Just like you imagined member Joined: 09/03/08 Location: MN Posts: 123	NIN fans are open-minded, because it's nearly impossible to be a NIN fan if you are not. NIN has very little association with morbid, grisly and gruesome things. Only in Trent's early days was he into that kinda stuff. Nowadays it's sci-fi albums like Year Zero, or the ambient instrumentals of Ghosts I-IV, or the solid rock sound of The Slip. Also, I enjoy Bob Dylan's music myself, and In most cases, there isn't that thick of a line between a Bob Dylan fan and a NIN fan. So I'd argue that if you really gave NIN more of a chance, you could probably learn to enjoy them, they just take some getting used to.
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08/10/09 6:24 PM
Aurora D member Joined: 09/03/08 Location: xvcdfrg Posts: 2,942	AnnaDraconida posted: I have black curtains and pentagram posters on my wall. I burn black candles all day because my house doesn't have electricity and I shun the warm light of the sun, lest it ruin my ghastly paleness. I wear lots of black leather & lace with combat boots & only leave the house at sunset to sell weird dildos in the S&M themed sex shop of my uncle. The things I carry around with me at all times include: a razor blade (in case I want another scar on my ghastly pale skin), a compilation of Edgar Allan Poe's poetry, a silver pentagram pendant around my neck (you can never have too many of those) & the mummified middle finger of a medieval priest I broke off during my visit to an Italian catacomb. I am convinced that vampires exist, and have often entertained fantasies of consuming blood. My bookshelf includes the works of Anne Rice, Stephen King, Poe of course & Aleister Crowley, plus countless paperbacks on Wicca & astrology. I also own a desiccated black cat. It was alive before it got hit by a car. I think I am precisely the kind of person you'd expect to be a NIN fan! lmao. As for the OP, I consider myself a relatively tame person, but that is probably why I listen to music like NIN, for a sort of release. And yes not all of NIN's music is about fucking like animals in bondage gear. There is a lot of depth to be found in the lyrics.
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08/10/09 6:35 PM
dontunderstandnin member Joined: 08/09/09 Posts: 11	AnnaDraconida posted: dontunderstandnin posted: AnnaDraconida posted: ...then again, I could also ask you WHY you like Bob Dylan when it really just sounds like all sorts of disgustingness to me. And that would be fine with me. I would say that I like Bob Dylan because he says things that many people feel but are unable to express. I like Bob Dylan because, to me, he is simply the best songwriter I've ever come across. I also like Bob Dylan because, even though many many other singers have better voices, none of them could take one of his songs and sing it with the same sincerity/earnestness that he does. I'm sorry if it offends you that some NIN songs "sound like all sorts of disgustingness to me", but they do. I have no problem if you feel the same about Dylan... See, this is the problem with your post. I do NOT think that Bob Dylan is a good songwriter, or worthy of his success at all, but do I sign up on a Bob Dylan fan forum with the alias "whythefuckisbobdylanpopular" and start asking potentially offensive questions from his fans? ...no. If you did, I would answer your question. I'm perfectly fine knowing that not everyone has the same taste in music that I do. I actually don't think my post was offensive. Maybe the words morbid, grisly and gruesome have a negative connotation, but they don't depict negativity in the way that I look at them. Some people like horror films, some people like blood and guts and the like. I personally do not, but I wouldn't say that someone that does is a bad person. Again, my intent is not to attack or deride you as a fan of NIN. I'm also not here to argue the merits of Bob Dylan vs. NIN. I was just looking for some insight from you. I actually have learned quite a bit from some of the posts in this thread. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/10/2009 06:41PM by dontunderstandnin.
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08/10/09 6:38 PM
dontunderstandnin member Joined: 08/09/09 Posts: 11	jayetheartist posted: dontunderstandnin posted: jayetheartist posted: dontunderstandnin posted: Nowhere did I say, "do all nine inch nails fans like disgusting things?" Well, to be technical, the title of the thread does ask that very question. I guess you are right about that, but I didn't mean for it to ask if ALL fans do. I was simply asking if you as a NIN fan do. I really was trying not to work with generalizations when I could get it from each of your mouths instead. Well, a few points (and at the risk of engaging in some generalizations): 1. NIN fans are notoriously touchy. You probably weren't warned about this. We (collectively, although not without exception) tend to overreact to things. A lot. Even to each other and even to things Trent says and does. It's not necessarily wise to poke at the NIN fanbase if you want to keep your fingers intact. 2. The point of the more "disgusting" lyrical and visual references is not to be morbid or gruesome or whatnot. It's all metaphorical. It means something, and it's the meaning that resonates, not the imagery itself. 3. I wouldn't expect too many fans to talk in too much detail about why they're so into NIN, since for the most part the emotional content of the songs is fairly dark and echoes the kind of feelings and thoughts that people don't tend to talk about with people they aren't sure will understand. I would try and explain exactly why NIN resonates with me in ways that no other music does, but any time I've tried I've been unsuccessful in coming up with the right words to really explain it without telling a life story's worth of rather personal things that I'm fairly sure you're not interested in hearing. My therapist could probably explain it better than me. I can assure you, though, that you won't find very many NIN fans who would say they like NIN 'cause they think rotting pig carcasses and snuff films are totally bitchin'. Thank you very much for this well thought out post. This is exactly the type of response I was hoping for.
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08/10/09 6:45 PM
dontunderstandnin member Joined: 08/09/09 Posts: 11	Just like you imagined posted: NIN fans are open-minded, because it's nearly impossible to be a NIN fan if you are not. NIN has very little association with morbid, grisly and gruesome things. Only in Trent's early days was he into that kinda stuff. Nowadays it's sci-fi albums like Year Zero, or the ambient instrumentals of Ghosts I-IV, or the solid rock sound of The Slip. Also, I enjoy Bob Dylan's music myself, and In most cases, there isn't that thick of a line between a Bob Dylan fan and a NIN fan. So I'd argue that if you really gave NIN more of a chance, you could probably learn to enjoy them, they just take some getting used to. I actually can see that in a way. I have read a few interviews with Trent Reznor and I actually like the things that he says. I really just don't like the sound of the music though. I don't like the loud, visceral quality that it has.
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08/10/09 6:52 PM
scott_pawsey member Just zeroes and ones Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Ontario - Canada Posts: 4,227	If you don't like the loud, industrial sounding songs, maybe you'll like these: Right Where It Belongs Something I Can Never Have The Day The World Went Away Hurt In This Twilight Try checking out some of those, you may like them.
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08/10/09 7:00 PM
Just like you imagined member Joined: 09/03/08 Location: MN Posts: 123	dontunderstandnin posted: Just like you imagined posted: NIN fans are open-minded, because it's nearly impossible to be a NIN fan if you are not. NIN has very little association with morbid, grisly and gruesome things. Only in Trent's early days was he into that kinda stuff. Nowadays it's sci-fi albums like Year Zero, or the ambient instrumentals of Ghosts I-IV, or the solid rock sound of The Slip. Also, I enjoy Bob Dylan's music myself, and In most cases, there isn't that thick of a line between a Bob Dylan fan and a NIN fan. So I'd argue that if you really gave NIN more of a chance, you could probably learn to enjoy them, they just take some getting used to. I actually can see that in a way. I have read a few interviews with Trent Reznor and I actually like the things that he says. I really just don't like the sound of the music though. I don't like the loud, visceral quality that it has. You know, that's the thing with NIN. It's not all one sided. Sure, he has his more up-beat angry songs, but he also has some incredibly relaxing ones, like this one for example: [www.youtube.com] Does that really sound that loud and visceral?
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08/10/09 7:15 PM
PeedroPaula member Why so serious? Joined: 09/07/08 Location: San Pedro CA Posts: 15,259	scott_pawsey posted: If you don't like the loud, industrial sounding songs, maybe you'll like these: Right Where It Belongs Something I Can Never Have The Day The World Went Away Hurt In This Twilight Try checking out some of those, you may like them. You left out "La Mer"!
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08/10/09 7:28 PM
scott_pawsey member Just zeroes and ones Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Ontario - Canada Posts: 4,227	PeedroPaula posted: scott_pawsey posted: If you don't like the loud, industrial sounding songs, maybe you'll like these: Right Where It Belongs Something I Can Never Have The Day The World Went Away Hurt In This Twilight Try checking out some of those, you may like them. You left out "La Mer"! Damnit! How did I even do that? It's my favourite NIN song. La Mer
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08/10/09 8:55 PM
3splitps member Joined: 10/10/08 Location: in the middle of nowhere% Posts: 232	dontunderstandnin posted: .....I would say that I like Bob Dylan because he says things that many people feel but are unable to express. I like Bob Dylan because, to me, he is simply the best songwriter I've ever come across. I also like Bob Dylan because, even though many many other singers have better voices, none of them could take one of his songs and sing it with the same sincerity/earnestness that he does. I'm sorry if it offends you that some NIN songs "sound like all sorts of disgustingness to me", but they do. I have no problem if you feel the same about Dylan... I think a lot of the reasons you like Dylan are reasons that I like Reznor, although I do think he has a good voice. NIN says things that many people feel but are unable to express. Reznor is one of the best songwriters/composers I have come across. No one could sing NIN or NIN songs with the same sincerity and earnestness that he does. And I am sooo the suzy homemaker mentioned earlier. Stay at home mom with 3 kiddos and before that I was a high school teacher. Just saying we might have more in common than you think...
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08/10/09 9:08 PM
Miss_Integral member Lecher Bitch Joined: 12/26/08 Location: Florida Posts: 796	So...dude, I'd wager you've only heard DS and Broken, yeah? Otherwise, I mean what's so gross about Ghosts I-IV? Got something against ambient techno/industrial? Seriously though...Yeah, maybe some of us are a little morbid, but I think it's more about the raw honesty in Trent's music. If he takes it a bit too far, okay fine maybe that's not your cup of tea. And listening to Neil Young makes me want to kill myself. His voice is so fucking whiny and unlistenable. Even if he has a better, healthier message than Trent (by your opinion), I'm not gonna hear it because I'm too busy trying to jam sharp objects into my ears.
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08/11/09 4:06 AM
johnny_ripper member it's awfully considerate Joined: 02/15/08 Location: desolation row Posts: 5,449	I masturbated over a dead pigeon last night.
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08/11/09 6:13 AM
11bobrady11 member srsly tho, ivvaddagutful! Joined: 02/08/09 Location: a pencilcase. Posts: 3,051	. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/11/2009 06:14AM by 11bobrady11.
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08/11/09 6:36 AM
nan2112 member Joined: 04/29/08 Location: the mountains Posts: 265	You know, I have been a fan since the beginning in 89, and back then I was an angry, rebellious person. I wasn't necessarily morbid although my 12th grade "term" paper was on Necromancy - go figure. NINs music has evolved so much through the years but it still packs that emotional connection I have never felt with any other band. There were times when I couldn't listen to it if I was depressed because it made me more depressed. The lyrics hit home way too much. So MY answer to you is: Trent Reznor knows how to connect music to people better than any one songwriter /artist I know - not in a grotesque way but in an awesome "wow" this guy has been through the same shit and has dealt with the assholes of the world same as every joe smoe out there including me. The music is the perfect accent to his lyrics whether seeringly twisted or a beautiful piano piece. He truly bears his soul to anyone who wants to listen! I will always love NINs
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08/11/09 6:37 AM
WeepingRaven member Joined: 11/25/07 Posts: 127	jayetheartist posted: I can assure you, though, that you won't find very many NIN fans who would say they like NIN 'cause they think rotting pig carcasses and snuff films are totally bitchin'. LMAO...one of the best quotes ever. Honestly, I think it's awesome that at least he(?) is actually trying to understand us and the music instead of just brushing it off as complete shit. As was already said, you would get a complete life story from me if I had to explain why I love NIN. It's always been like a shoulder to cry on when I feel there is no one here for me or to understand me. No matter how terrible I was feeling, I knew that I was not alone in that pain and that was somehow comforting. He was just able to explain everything I was feeling better than I ever could. To this day, it still has that effect on me. I know that sounds cheesy... but I'm trying to explain it without getting into details. P.S. I think you guys forgot "The Great Below" unless it was already posted? [www.youtube.com] and "I'm Looking Forward to Joining You, Finally" [www.youtube.com] Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/11/2009 06:42AM by WeepingRaven.
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08/11/09 7:38 AM
exolstice member Commander-In-Chimp Joined: 04/29/08 Location: Montreal QC Posts: 15	I like NIN for the same reason I like hundreds of other artists, they just make great music. I think NIN probably holds a higher spot in my esteem because of the sheer range of their catalogue. They've got songs that could both scare and soothe a grandma, sometimes in the same song! I've never considered NIN to be gruesome. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that NIN provides musical variety, and I like that. Quick look at the most played artists on my iPod contradicts earlier posts about enjoyment of Dylan and NIN being mutually exclusive.
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08/11/09 8:57 AM
RodrigoD member Wave GOODBYE. Joined: 07/08/08 Posts: 1,694	jayetheartist posted: Well, a few points (and at the risk of engaging in some generalizations): 1. NIN fans are notoriously touchy. You probably weren't warned about this. We (collectively, although not without exception) tend to overreact to things. A lot. Even to each other and even to things Trent says and does. It's not necessarily wise to poke at the NIN fanbase if you want to keep your fingers intact. 2. The point of the more "disgusting" lyrical and visual references is not to be morbid or gruesome or whatnot. It's all metaphorical. It means something, and it's the meaning that resonates, not the imagery itself. 3. I wouldn't expect too many fans to talk in too much detail about why they're so into NIN, since for the most part the emotional content of the songs is fairly dark and echoes the kind of feelings and thoughts that people don't tend to talk about with people they aren't sure will understand. I would try and explain exactly why NIN resonates with me in ways that no other music does, but any time I've tried I've been unsuccessful in coming up with the right words to really explain it without telling a life story's worth of rather personal things that I'm fairly sure you're not interested in hearing. My therapist could probably explain it better than me. I can assure you, though, that you won't find very many NIN fans who would say they like NIN 'cause they think rotting pig carcasses and snuff films are totally bitchin'. This answer says it all.
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08/11/09 8:59 AM
RodrigoD member Wave GOODBYE. Joined: 07/08/08 Posts: 1,694	RightWhereItBelongs96 posted: Is masturbation considered a morbid, grisly, grusome thing? Anyways, I'm a huge NIN fan. I listen to other bands and I play video games. I go to school and make my own music. Is that a grusome thing Mr. Douchebag who asked that question? I understand you're standing up for NIN, but what in the name of fuck does masturbation have anything to do with it?
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08/11/09 11:07 AM
BeautyIsAnimate member Perfectly Imperfect Joined: 02/02/08 Location: Toledo Posts: 1,256	Tagging onto Jaye's (excellent) response, particularly point #2. "If I am not grotesque, I am nothing."-Aubrey Beardsley M-W.com * Main Entry: 1gro·tesque * Pronunciation: \gr?-?tesk\ * Function: noun * Etymology: Middle French & Old Italian; Middle French, from Old Italian (pittura) grottesca, literally, cave painting, feminine of grottesco of a cave, from grotta * Date: 1561 1 a : a style of decorative art characterized by fanciful or fantastic human and animal forms often interwoven with foliage or similar figures that may distort the natural into absurdity, ugliness, or caricature b : a piece of work in this style 2 : one that is grotesque For me, it is the (sometimes very raw) emotion inherent in NIN music. There is a connection with emotions I have and do experience. It's the "Yes! Yes! That's exactly how I felt! OMG! I thought I was the only one who ever felt like that!" connection. I also respect TR as a (completely imperfect) human being. He's grown over the last several years, he has shown integrity, and he often spoils his fans like few others in the business. Because of these various connections (and because TR no longer has a machine to serve as an interface between him and his fans), we have the undeniable ability to hurt one another. But the good times are so very, very good.
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08/11/09 10:19 AM
dontunderstandnin member Joined: 08/09/09 Posts: 11	OK, so I've watched those youtube clips and done a little bit more listening. While I don't think I will ever become a huge fan, I do appreciate some of what I've heard. I think I like the live songs I've heard better than the album versions. Some of them might even make it onto my itunes playlist. Thanks again to those of you who responded to me with an open mind and realized I was just trying to learn a bit about something I was ignorant of.
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