The Fragile 10 year anniversary!!!
 
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09/19/09 4:33 PM

paul_guyet posted:
This was going to be a THREE DISC ALBUM originally.

Really? When/where did you hear that?! Not challenging your intel or anything, I've just never heard that and I fancy myself as the sort of fellow who would've heard about that at some point.

 

09/19/09 4:56 PM

DickPuke posted:
paul_guyet posted:
This was going to be a THREE DISC ALBUM originally.

Really? When/where did you hear that?! Not challenging your intel or anything, I've just never heard that and I fancy myself as the sort of fellow who would've heard about that at some point.
I have a few magazines from those days where Trent and other members of the band said that there was stuff for even a quadruple album. Trent said that there was a point when he had not other choice and couldn't release a single disc without feeling that the album was incomplete. Then he called Bob Ezrin to help him choosing tracks for each disc and with the continuity for the double album because he wasn't able to do it himself alone.

Or that is what I remember at least, I could look for the magazines and exact quotes, but I have mountains of them in my room from over a decade and I'm too lazy. spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

 

09/19/09 5:34 PM

saying "there's enough material for four discs" is different than saying "this was intended to be four discs"

not being able to deduce from context specifics like that is how stupid nin rumors always start

 

09/19/09 5:39 PM

also, it's pretty funny that the fragile is considered a commercial flop, as today a band would sign any faustian bargain to sell 2 million copies, u2 can't even get those numbers now and they have probably the biggest promotional budget and worldwide fame of any one band

 

09/19/09 6:59 PM

balletboy927 posted:
my wishlist

a FULL tracking (cd, vinyl, and cassete are incomplete):
which means ten miles high, appendage, the new flesh, and decay mastered in so u dont have interupted song transitions (please into complication is interupted by appendage)
songs meant for the release but were put on still (aatchb and leaving hope)*
other songs not officially released (the great collapse and how it all begins)*
*trent would have to determine where to insert these songs in the tracking
starfucker inc. moved to bonus disc

bonus disc would include:
selected remixes from things fall apart, along with new remixes
starfuckers inc. (duh)
movie songs from that era (deep and the perfect drug(i know he hates the song, but it has to be on it)).
any other extras he's been holding out on

a video disc with all the videos from that era (even the unreleased ones!)

multitracks to encourage further remixing (very hopeful, especially since interscope and trent dont exactly get along, but possible because he got away with this year zero and part of with teeth).

i know this is a giant list
the album itself would be 30 tracks!
this is what i think would do justice to the fragile especially since i was a little underwhelmed with the deluxe edition of TDS
i no this would probably amount to 5 or 6 discs but it is doable and im sure anyone on this site would buy it for any cost
i just hope interscope doesnt fuck with him
but i think theyll go along with it because they know they can make quite a good buck off of this (im thinking $80-100 a copy)

Trent,
i hope u see this message and make this possible (or even just possible for me!)

thanks to all who read this i no its long smiling smiley, but it was an important cause for me!

I wouldnt consider The pErfect Drug a Fragile-era song. When did it happen, back in 97 correct?

 

09/19/09 7:13 PM

After the TDS got the 10 year Anniversary treatment in 04, I was really hoping for the same kind of thing with The Fragile. For an album of songs packed full of layers, it would sound INCREDIBLE on 5.1! I'd also like to see high-res artwork (final and rejected) from that era, as David Carson is one of my favorite designers.

We can only hope!

 

09/19/09 8:17 PM

seeingred posted:
saying "there's enough material for four discs" is different than saying "this was intended to be four discs"

not being able to deduce from context specifics like that is how stupid nin rumors always start
Well, I wasn't the one that said that it was intended to be a 3-4 discs album. smiling smiley

And if I remember well, "The Fragile" was double platinum because double albums count like 2 discs, so "TF" really sold around 1.200.000 copies in 99/2000 (no idea how many copies has sold until these days). If you sell +1 million copies of a double album it's certified as double platinum by the RIAA (I believe). It was considered a flop because "TDS" had sold around 4 millions just in the USA and the people in his label wanted it to sell more than "TDS" because it was "the most anticipated album of the decade", or that is how it was sold by the media. What I don't know is why "With Teeth" wasn't certified platinum when it has sold more than 1 million copies (or that is what I've read, I don't remember where).

And @UnusedName, "The Perfect Drug" is from a few years before "TF" was released, but it was included as a B-Side in one of the versions of the "We're In This Together" single with "Complications of The Flesh". I bought it before "TF" was released because the version of "TPD" in that single is slightly longer (and better) than the version from the "Lost Highway OST", the piano final part is longer in this "Fragile era" version, while in the "LH OST" version the end is suddenly cut like in the video, something that I personally hate because that piano part is one of the best things in the song imo, and it's cooler how it slowly fades in this version.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/19/2009 08:23PM by abaddonFER.

 

09/19/09 8:47 PM

balletboy927 posted:
my wishlist

a FULL tracking (cd, vinyl, and cassete are incomplete):
which means ten miles high, appendage, the new flesh, and decay mastered in so u dont have interupted song transitions (please into complication is interupted by appendage)
songs meant for the release but were put on still (aatchb and leaving hope)*
other songs not officially released (the great collapse and how it all begins)*
*trent would have to determine where to insert these songs in the tracking
starfucker inc. moved to bonus disc

bonus disc would include:
selected remixes from things fall apart, along with new remixes
starfuckers inc. (duh)
movie songs from that era (deep and the perfect drug(i know he hates the song, but it has to be on it)).
any other extras he's been holding out on

a video disc with all the videos from that era (even the unreleased ones!)

multitracks to encourage further remixing (very hopeful, especially since interscope and trent dont exactly get along, but possible because he got away with this year zero and part of with teeth).

i know this is a giant list
the album itself would be 30 tracks!
this is what i think would do justice to the fragile especially since i was a little underwhelmed with the deluxe edition of TDS
i no this would probably amount to 5 or 6 discs but it is doable and im sure anyone on this site would buy it for any cost
i just hope interscope doesnt fuck with him
but i think theyll go along with it because they know they can make quite a good buck off of this (im thinking $80-100 a copy)

Trent,
i hope u see this message and make this possible (or even just possible for me!)

thanks to all who read this i no its long smiling smiley, but it was an important cause for me!
Starfuckers HAS to be in the Deluxe Edition. It's a great song and it's NOT just a song about Manson as some people may think. I think that it's also about becoming a celebrity and how that affected himself, which was a HUGE important thing on his life at that period of his life. He said in a billion interviews that having everybody treating him like a God affected his personality a lot and turned him into an asshole because everybody kissed his ass, gave him free drugs and he could treat people like shit because he was a "rock star". That is what Starfuckers is about, how becoming a celebrity you can become an absolute idiot and that can ruin your life (his addictions became even bigger during the Selfdestruct Tour). So it's not just a silly song about Manson, it's a very important song for the album because he regret of his stupid behavior at that time and that is something very important in "TF" imo.

Also I have never heard of a proper studio version of AATCHB that could fit in TF, the version from Still wouldn't fit in the album because it sounds almost like a "live" version, the same way that the version of The Becoming in that album wouldn't fit on TDS. Leaving Hope I thought that was written for the OST for Mark Romanek's movie like many other songs from Still, not for TF. And The Great Collapse was released with TFA if I remember well, but I think that it should be included into the bonus disc.

I would NOT include multitracks. Most of people wouldn't use them and they could be easily released online right here. I don't need the multitracks, if someone needs them they could be released for free or for a few bucks as a download. I would rather have the bonus disc or a DVD-BluRay-Whatever.

 

09/20/09 1:13 PM

abaddonFER posted:
DickPuke posted:
paul_guyet posted:
This was going to be a THREE DISC ALBUM originally.

Really? When/where did you hear that?! Not challenging your intel or anything, I've just never heard that and I fancy myself as the sort of fellow who would've heard about that at some point.
I have a few magazines from those days where Trent and other members of the band said that there was stuff for even a quadruple album. Trent said that there was a point when he had not other choice and couldn't release a single disc without feeling that the album was incomplete. Then he called Bob Ezrin to help him choosing tracks for each disc and with the continuity for the double album because he wasn't able to do it himself alone.

Or that is what I remember at least, I could look for the magazines and exact quotes, but I have mountains of them in my room from over a decade and I'm too lazy. spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Thanks Ferabad. You ARE the best.

 

09/20/09 8:49 PM

DickPuke posted:
Thanks Ferabad. You ARE the best.
Thanks!!! smileys with beer

Do you have an account in ETS? For your chosen words I would guess so. winking smiley Who are you there? I need some kind of list of people I know from there with different names here because maybe sometimes I'm talking with people I know and I don't realize about it. smiling smiley

 

09/20/09 10:22 PM

ten years today. incredible; i remember getting it the morning of release like it was yesterday.

i'd be typing all night if i were to attempt to describe the affect and meaning this album holds for me. every second of it is fucking spectacular.

a decade later and i think i'm just now starting to grasp all the subtlties and nuancies layered into its depths. i've always envisioned The Fragile like some kind of dark ancient forest; a living thing in itself, full of shadows, secrets, and dangerous things hidden away deep at its center.

here's to one of the most absolutely amazing musical works every committed to a physical medium. like the finest of wines, it's only gotten better with age.

edit: it's past midnight right now in NYC, so it WAS today when i posted this. smiling smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2009 10:23PM by DistantStorm.

 

09/20/09 10:55 PM

Happy anniversary, the fragile. an album that helps me get through shit until today.

 

09/21/09 12:37 AM

I told my CDs happy birthday & they didn't say thank you. Fuck the album now.

 

09/21/09 1:59 AM

Happy Anniversary to the album that changed my perspective towards music.

 

09/21/09 2:22 AM

Happy Anniversary!!! I love you

 

09/21/09 2:23 AM

Wasn't a portion of the album leaked/streamed on the internet just before the release? I remember sitting on the floor with my (now) wife and huddled around my laptop trying to hear it through the crappy speakers.

That said...I also remember standing in line at the Virgin Megastore on Sunset and getting it at midnight. Then immediately throwing it in the car's CD player and saying "WTF is this?"

There are parts of this album that took some time to grow on me. Isn't it funny how often the music that takes longer to grow on you is often the same music that ends becoming such a part of your life.

At the end of the day...Fav NIN album (though TDS a close second, almost to close to call)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2009 02:39AM by TotalSysFailure.

 

09/21/09 2:32 AM

sweet sweet nostalgia <3

 

09/21/09 2:35 AM

yes i got the fragile off of usenet about 12 days before release, not sure if it leaked earlier

leaks weren't the spread-like-wildfire-in-a-matter-of-hours thing they are today, sometimes an album could be sitting somewhere online without hitting the real p2p structure of the time (napster, audiogalaxy, etc) for days

 

09/21/09 3:35 AM

That album was not released in Russia (only imports), so no anniversary here.

 

09/21/09 4:19 AM

BenAkenobi posted:
That album was not released in Russia (only imports), so no anniversary here.
It wasn't released in Greece either, but that's not a reason not to "celebrate".

 

09/21/09 9:05 AM

I remember buying the album at midnight at Virgin Megastore.It came with a poster of the album cover and was given out in an all black plastic bag that said NIN on the front and on the back it said The Fragile 9/21/99 with the nothing records logo.I still have both those items.

 

09/21/09 9:13 AM

I remember going out to the store to buy it on the first day.....listening to it on the way home from the store....and sitting in the car listening to the whole thing.

Somewhat Damaged still is the most powerful song...my favorite.

Hard to believe it's been 10 years. Wonder what the next 10 years will bring?

 

09/21/09 9:21 AM

seeingred posted:
also, it's pretty funny that the fragile is considered a commercial flop, as today a band would sign any faustian bargain to sell 2 million copies, u2 can't even get those numbers now and they have probably the biggest promotional budget and worldwide fame of any one band

It's amazing how much has changed in the industry in 10 years.

 

09/21/09 9:50 AM

I remember my friends waking me up like it was Christmas morning, and driving me to Best Buy to pick it up (we went to school in the middle of nowhere, so no Virgin Megastore) They wanted to put it on in the car on the way home, but I wouldn't. The album is a concept album---so I needed to be able to listen to it beginning to end. I had class all day---so I actually didn't listen to it until that evening. I locked myself in my room, unplugged the phone and opened a bottle of Burgundy I had been saving.

When I emerged two hours later---everything had changed.

I think I'll repeat my ritual tonight after work.

 

09/21/09 11:04 AM

i once made some HIGH RESOLUTION SCANS from the Fragile cover artwork and the booklet
because i fucking love David Carson, and the Fragile is my favorite album.
you can download it here: [www.megaupload.com]

great for desktop wallpapers, or REAL wallpapers, as seen here: [twitpic.com]

 

09/21/09 11:11 AM

happy birthday the fragile

 

09/21/09 11:14 AM

Happy birthday to the Fragile!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2551/3941084585_ab48bd1563_o.jpg

 

09/21/09 12:15 PM

patrick_nicholas posted:
Karen posted:
My preferred special edition would have all the bonus tracks added and Starfuckers removed. I think I would have liked that song alright as a single, but somehow in the context of 'The Fragile' it seemed jarringly out of place.
On the condtrary, Starfuckers [my favorite track on the Right disc] actually FITS the concept. He loses everything [all of the Left, first four songs on the right] and eventually FINDS his pleasures [Please, Starfuckers, Complication] only to have lost them again [end of Complication to end].
I thought the album was the other way around, about a guy trying to pick himself up from nothing only to fail. He starts off from the bottom (Somewhat Damaged - The Wretched), tries to pick himself up (We're in This Together - Pilgrimage) before giving up and deciding to kill himself (No, You Don't - The Great Below). Right disc shows he survived/didn't do it and him coming to terms with things (The Way Out Is Through - The Mark Has Been Made). I reckon he then relives the events that pushed him to where he is now (Please - ILFTJYF), with the album ending with him facing up to his biggest problem: himself (The Big Come Down - Ripe (With Decay)). Underneath It All, however, suggests he DID kill himself in The Great Below, meaning the Right disc is all about him reflecting in the afterlife. There does also seem to be a girl central to the album...

I've probably read way too far into this. tl;dr good album is good.

 

09/21/09 12:38 PM

abaddonFER posted:
DickPuke posted:
Thanks Ferabad. You ARE the best.
Thanks!!! smileys with beer

Do you have an account in ETS? For your chosen words I would guess so. winking smiley Who are you there? I need some kind of list of people I know from there with different names here because maybe sometimes I'm talking with people I know and I don't realize about it. smiling smiley

Yes, I am 'Cock Vomit' on ETS. That name was too sexy for this forum to handle. smileys with beer



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2009 12:39PM by DickPuke.

 

09/21/09 1:11 PM

abaddonFER posted:
Starfuckers HAS to be in the Deluxe Edition. It's a great song and it's NOT just a song about Manson as some people may think. I think that it's also about becoming a celebrity and how that affected himself, which was a HUGE important thing on his life at that period of his life. He said in a billion interviews that having everybody treating him like a God affected his personality a lot and turned him into an asshole because everybody kissed his ass, gave him free drugs and he could treat people like shit because he was a "rock star". That is what Starfuckers is about, how becoming a celebrity you can become an absolute idiot and that can ruin your life (his addictions became even bigger during the Selfdestruct Tour). So it's not just a silly song about Manson, it's a very important song for the album because he regret of his stupid behavior at that time and that is something very important in "TF" imo.

I think you're right in terms of how it fits into the album thematically, but I think a lot of people don't like how it sounds on the album-- perhaps on a more superficial level. Even the harder songs, like Somewhat Damaged, on TF have a kind of grandeur to them that Starfuckers doesn't have.

Of course, at the end of the day it *IS* part of the Fragile, so the fact that some of us think it could be left off is kind of irrelevant, lol. Personally I think the themes of celebrity and such were dealt with much better on the whole of With Teeth, but JMO.

 
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