The Fragile "Ultimate reissue" - 'Soon'
 
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01/12/11 9:54 AM

A+R's model seems to be a bit all or nothing, sadly, so I think if you want the more luxury elements (possible BD audio for example), it'll be one of the more expensive packs

 

01/12/11 9:59 AM

Sheepdean posted:
A+R's model seems to be a bit all or nothing, sadly, so I think if you want the more luxury elements (possible BD audio for example), it'll be one of the more expensive packs
I've already started saving. winking smiley

 

01/12/11 10:54 AM

In the Minotaur set from the Pixies, the 50GB Blu-ray contains all 5 albums in high resolution 24-bit/192khz stereo AND surround. One Disc. There are only two options for the set, the Limited $495 edition and the Deluxe $175 edition, both contain the Blu-ray. But seriously, for The Pixies I just want the music, I'm not a die-hard fan the way I am with NIN. A+R never even bothered responding to e-mails asking if they might make a separate Blu-ray SKU. $175 is just too steep.

Warner released Tom Petty's Live Anthology last year (or 2009) and there is a $20 4CD version, a $140 5CD, 2DVD and 1 Blu-ray set and a $140 7LP version. The two DVD's contain an unreleased documentary from 1985 and an unreleased concert from 1978 which is cool, but the Blu-ray just contains all the live Anthology tracks in 24/96 stereo and surround. Again, I just want the live tracks in the better quality (and surround), but for $140?

I wish they would think these things through a little better. The re-release of Tom Petty's 1979 "Damn The Torpedoes" has a $26 2CD version and a $29 Blu-ray version, the latter complete with 2 additional videos and the entire album in stereo and surround 24/96, that's definitely the more consumer friendly way of doing it and for those that want the better quality and surround a $3 premium is easy to swallow.

But yeah, with A+R I definitely don't see a single $30 SKU happening for any specific elements. At least with NIN I love the content so much in this case that I won't hesitate to order it and lie through my teeth if I'm asked "how much did that cost" when my wife picks up the mail, lol.

 

01/12/11 12:58 PM

I maintain that the most likely outcome will be Ghosts-style

CD and Vinyl available as-is
Deluxe edition with lots of nice extras
Limited edition for those of us who really hate owning money

Although, if a BD is made (which the surround mix implies), making that a sole release would be nice, for people who are audiophiles, but not rich

 

01/13/11 10:53 AM

I'm already saving too. Pretty much everything else is on hold. I'm hoping this package is going to be something special. I hope we hear more news on it soon!

 

01/13/11 7:33 PM

For me, an Ultimate release would include the tracks found on the vinyl and cassette versions.
"Appendage", "the new flesh" and "10 miles high".

I can't wait!
Wait, no, actually I can smiling smiley

And I would also be happy to hear this and TDS in 5.1
One day I'll have 5.1 lol

 

01/17/11 6:41 AM

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WorzelG posted:
^^^ I read an interview, which I can't find again, where Garson said that Trent didn't use the songs he'd played on because his style was too distinctive with Bowie, - Garson then said the music with his playing would make a great instrumental CD for him (Garson), if Trent were to produce it for him - but Trent is a busy guy! What is he supposed to do? Go in there and demand Trent record an album for him? I don't think he was lacking in decisiveness, but it is a big thing to ask of somebody, I don't think it would be something so massive selling it would pay for itself, it would be for the 'Art' of it!

You're misinterpreting Garson's interview.

He's saying Trent brought him in and was all, "Here, play some piano on these songs I'm working on," and Garon's all, "Fuck yeah, why not?"

And then he did it and Trent was all, "Okay that's really not what I'm looking for, thanks though, I can use some of it."

It's not like Garson went in there and was working on entirely different songs. For all we know, there's merely some deleted piano bits from fuckin' Into The Void or Please or some shit. What Garson is saying is that if you took the vocals out of Please (just an example, I doubt he played on Please) and mixed his piano back in and removed some other elements it would be pretty cool.

 

02/11/11 7:51 AM

Sheepdean posted:
Although, if a BD is made (which the surround mix implies), making that a sole release would be nice, for people who are audiophiles, but not rich

That's me!! How I wish that lottery would come through, so I could really design the kind of listening room I want. Imagine finding out you just won 20 million or some shit, the first things I would think about would be a) no more mortgage, b) family finanacially sound and c) awesome HT/music system coming up!!!!

 

03/13/11 6:37 AM

Hey, wake up people !

trent_reznor posted:
Sitting with Alan Moulder mixing The Wretched in 5.1. Lots of memories...

 

03/13/11 8:02 AM

^
it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to
it didn't turn out quite the way that you wanted

 

03/13/11 7:52 AM

Can't wait for this

 

03/13/11 8:28 AM

WOW....been waiting for this news for a long time....what a great way to start the day. Can't wait to get this in my mitts & strap on the headphones.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2011 08:30AM by eraser1974.

 

03/13/11 8:49 AM

My 5.1 speakers broke a while ago but I might just buy a new set for this rerelease.

 

03/13/11 10:27 AM

BenAkenobi posted:
^
it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to
it didn't turn out quite the way that you wanted

Exactly ! But now something is turning out in Trent's
studio.

The way out is through.

 

03/13/11 10:46 AM

Can someone explain what 5.1 is? Will this release be like the PHM release and have better sound quality for is it only for surround sound systems?

 

03/13/11 5:08 PM

5.1 means it will be released on DVD or Bluray (note: it will be bluray) and is designed to play the music in surround sound, for optimum enjoyment. Ghosts and Social netowrk have already been released like this, and they are simply gorgeous.

However, the album itself won't only be in 5.1 of course, there will be a CD release, digital etc, too

 

03/13/11 5:56 PM

Don't get too excited.
They might be mixing just one track for a movie. winking smiley

I sure hope they're reissuing The fragile now. smiling smiley
I wish they would also consider reissuing "Still" in HD audio format.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2011 05:56PM by DSP_2.

 

03/13/11 6:10 PM

DSP_2 posted:
Don't get too excited.
They might be mixing just one track for a movie. winking smiley

I sure hope they're reissuing The fragile now. smiling smiley
I wish they would also consider reissuing "Still" in HD audio format.
Trent's been talking about this reissue for a while now, so saying that he's mixing The Wretched in 5.1 means that the project is indeed alive and is being worked on right now. I think that this excitement can be valid.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2011 06:10PM by scott_pawsey.

 

03/13/11 6:17 PM

CAN'T FUCKING WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

03/13/11 6:35 PM

Sheepdean posted:
However, the album itself won't only be in 5.1 of course, there will be a CD release, digital etc, too

So will the digital downloads and CD releases sound a lot better too?

 

03/13/11 6:43 PM

Echovoid52 posted:
Sheepdean posted:
However, the album itself won't only be in 5.1 of course, there will be a CD release, digital etc, too

So will the digital downloads and CD releases sound a lot better too?

Yes, it's 2011 now.
Digital creativity is in the air.

 

03/13/11 7:43 PM

to my ears, there's very little remastering needed for the stereo version of The Fragile. absolutely nothing sounds dated or in need of mastering attention. i'm sure any stereo remastering will sound great, but it won't be needed.

Echovoid52 posted:
Can someone explain what 5.1 is? Will this release be like the PHM release and have better sound quality for is it only for surround sound systems?
5.1 is surround sound. it isn't a quality indicator, it's a way of mixing (and then listening to) music. most DVDs (and now Blu-rays) of films include the audio in surround sound to approach the way movie sound is presented in theaters; in the past decade, bands have taken to releasing surround sound versions of their music as well. for instance, the anniversary reissue of The Downward Spiral includes either a DualDisc (CD/DVD hybrid disc) featuring a DVD-Audio surround version of the album or the same mix in the now dead SACD format. for more information on it, read through [en.wikipedia.org]

considering PHM was 21 years old when it was remastered, it stood to gain a lot from the remastering treatment. The Fragile, while 12 years old at this point, sounds considerably more modern. PHM also was not released in 5.1.

 

03/14/11 5:26 AM

Sheepdean posted:
5.1 means it will be released on DVD or Bluray (note: it will be bluray) and is designed to play the music in surround sound, for optimum enjoyment. Ghosts and Social netowrk have already been released like this, and they are simply gorgeous.

However, the album itself won't only be in 5.1 of course, there will be a CD release, digital etc, too
Source?

 

03/14/11 5:15 AM

BenAkenobi posted:
Sheepdean posted:
5.1 means it will be released on DVD or Bluray (note: it will be bluray) and is designed to play the music in surround sound, for optimum enjoyment. Ghosts and Social netowrk have already been released like this, and they are simply gorgeous.

However, the album itself won't only be in 5.1 of course, there will be a CD release, digital etc, too
Source?
The last two 5.1 releases by Null have been on Blu-Ray. There's no reason they would use an older format that doesn't work as well

 

03/14/11 5:31 AM

I agree with Sheep, the release format for Ghosts worked brilliantly, so we can look forward to the same quality packaging and discs especially on an LE format.

 

03/14/11 9:30 AM

I understand the advantages of bluray, but at the same time i'm hoping for more traditional medium, you know, because the album is so classic now - seeing BR logo over it would be so weird.

 

03/14/11 12:11 PM

BenAkenobi posted:
I understand the advantages of bluray, but at the same time i'm hoping for more traditional medium, you know, because the album is so classic now - seeing BR logo over it would be so weird.
That BR logo becomes much more acceptable when you hear the difference in audio.

 

03/14/11 12:45 PM

this is really great news, as for the packaging i cant wait to see what they come up with, i am not really a big fan of the whole vinyl collecting... and i personally see no use for it but that is just my opinion. anyways i really hope for a BR release i just cant imagine all the sounds that go on in the background of most these songs, i think know we are finally going to hear this album the way it was meant to be heard.

 

03/15/11 2:52 AM

The best album even better? Hope to see the product this year.

 

03/15/11 3:49 AM

I'm most excited about the prospect of any unreleased tracks...

If there are any of those on this release, that would be great.

 
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