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01/19/10 4:10 PM

trent_reznor posted:
Thanks again to those who helped us on our campaign to save Eric De La Cruz's life last year. Here's a word from his sister Veronica I feel is worth a moment of your time:
Why We Still Need Health Care Reform to Pass

Veronica is starting a foundation to help others caught between the cracks of the US health care system. I'll post more info as this develops.

TR

LEO EDIT: Formatting and link



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/2010 04:28PM by leo3375.

 

01/19/10 4:24 PM

I believe I speak for the forums when I say we're more than glad to help a noble cause

 

01/19/10 4:29 PM

It was worth every penny and it was unfortunate that Eric passed away due to the wait and restrictions of the shitty U.S. healthcare system. "And if we only had a little more time..."

 

01/19/10 4:29 PM

You can call me communist all you want, but I hope this healthcare bill passes. I really do.

 

01/19/10 4:32 PM

I think the most frustrating thing at this point is the lack of a clear roadmap with healthcare. I honestly have no idea what's in it, how reconciliation (which is almost a
sure bet at this point) will work between the House and Senate to get this passed.

I almost wish that we had version control (think CVS or SVN) with the bill(s). At least then I could read all the proposed amendments, actual amendments and what House and Senate are doing in the background on one site. I'm a policy wonk and I'm having trouble following all of this, as are my friends.

The *most* critical thing at this point is erasing the confusion about the bill, amendments and so forth. Hell, even a wiki for the bill would be nice. It's hard for me to drive proponents to healthcare reform, when I have no idea what most of it entails.

I think this is largely a political failing on both the democratic and republican side of the aisle (lack of clarification and F.ear U.ncertainity and D.enial) respectively.

This is all compounded by election year politics. Either way this has to be finished by November. My Senator, (D-ND Dorgan) is retiring, and there's 95% chance that our new Senator will be Republican Gov. Hoeven.

Having rational conversations with opposition on this is hard without any checklist of goto points to either fact check the bullshit machine, or to point to provisions that are in there, that would win over independents or moderate Republicans.

The one thing Pelosi and Reid to know NOW, is to direct this information to the public. I mean when I'm digging around the CBO blog/site for unbiased information there's a PR failure there.

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Regarding the MA election, I think it's more independents pissed off at Obama, so voting against any democrat, rather than voting against Coakley specifically. If that's the case that race (as being reported) is in serious trouble.



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01/19/10 4:41 PM

We may need to hold our breath even longer for meaningful healthcare reform. If any at all.

Fuck Massachusetts.

 

01/19/10 4:46 PM

Trent,

Thank you for your continued efforts on keeping everyone posted. It's easy to let things like this get pushed aside...especially now that everyone's eyes are on Haiti.

I will say, I had to renew my drivers license on my birthday, back in November....and I didn't even think twice about becoming an organ donor. (The first time in my 40-something life to do so)

You have helped a lot of people just by being involved in Eric's fight...not just by giving people the opportunity to donate money...but giving us all a new awareness about other people's struggles in respect to health care and organ donation when you introduced us to Eric and Veronica.

Thank you!



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01/19/10 4:50 PM

The fact that this continues to be a key matter for you and the camp shows the level of human awareness and social committment that you guys have.

Thanks for being some of the few stand up artists that are out there.

 

01/19/10 5:46 PM

america's pathetic excuse for health care...i can't even talk about it really..it's that disgusting to me.
as someone who has been personally affected by it..i am 100% positive that i share with veronica the same disgust.
i think everyone is disgusted and is dealing with it in different ways.


the anti-reform reform...disgusts me.
i can't believe the democrats fucked this up so bad.


do i support this health care reform? whatever...i guess. i know it would be better for obama..and the left in general. maybe americans will be a little more open to actual reform in the future. i doubt it though.

bottom line. these huge corporations are making more money from things staying the same.
the democrats don't have the balls to take money/power away from these corporations and use it to actually help poor/sick people.


so, it's the poor/sick people who suffer the most from all of this..
and the rest of us...did i mention the disgust?

 

01/19/10 5:53 PM

Being someone who has a heart condition (which I am told one day will get worse) and who has been on both sides of insurance (both having and not having at various times) and can say that this is a pretty sticky matter that needs to be resolved in our country.
I have no idea how it can be done (I am a Graphic Designer, not a political mastermind) but hopefully people like Veronica and articles like hers can get the ball rolling.

 

01/19/10 5:57 PM

The Health Care System in this country sucks.If only the U.S. would take a lesson from countries like Britian where everyone has free Health Care.And just when Obama was going to get this going in the right direction......MA......



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01/19/10 6:38 PM

I guess we'll wait another, what... 25 years for reform? nice to the nation come together for invading Iraq but not for improved healthcare. We clearly have our priorities straight.

 

01/19/10 7:08 PM

GR0UNDZ3R0 posted:
I believe I speak for the forums when I say we're more than glad to help a noble cause

Couldn't have said it better. I hope we as a fanbase can help with the cause for a better US Healthcare system. There are definitely too many flaws, and it will take more than us ninies to invoke a cure.

 

01/19/10 7:44 PM

Trent,
I am 15 years old and I just wanted to say how big of an inspiration you are to me. Its nice to see an american actually doing good things for the country like this. In the generation I belong to its hard to find someone you can look up to. If there is any way a 15 year old can help in this situation sign me up. Again thank you for the inspiration, musically and every other way.


Andy

 

01/19/10 8:11 PM

That is a very powerful read. Thank you for sharing the news.. as well as stepping in and using a the greatest force availible in your hands to help. It's so hard to have faith in such a faulty system.. but we all live on this twisted up planet.. so we all need to pitch in. And to all that are well, and able to help make a difference for people like 'Eric' and his family.. even by spreading such word.. should be an effortless, sincere action and a necessity. I'm no expert.. but it just seems like common sense to me. Thanks for the update!

 

01/19/10 8:50 PM

I hope more people will get on board and find a solution to the mess of the US Health Care system. I couldn't imagine being sick and not have a way to get help. Politics can be so messy, I just hope one day soon, someone will find away for good changes to be made.

 

01/19/10 11:18 PM

wishful thinking has me replying to this with two comments...

1. I hope a NIN fan gets the seat.

2. Hey looks very happy to have the life he lived and I'm sure he led a beautiful life that should be celebrated!

jamesreeves

 

01/19/10 11:30 PM

Trent,
First, I am a huge fan of yours and have been since the very beginning. I love your music and independent thinking but find some of your political views askew.

Certainly, Mr. De La Cruz's story is a sad one and my heart goes out to his family and will donate to her cause when posted; however, I could not disagree more on the way healthcare reform is being handled by the current "leaders" in Washington. To say that healthcare must pass no matter how flawed, is absurd and naive. If a 2,000 page bill costing billions or trillions (hell, a $100 bucks is a lot in my mind) is just a "start", I would hate to see the end result.

This debate has gravitated more around "health insurance" reform than the delivery system itself. Having worked in the insurance industry for almost 10 years, I have seen first hand the unfortunate sides of insurance, but I have also seen waste, corruption and inefficiencies within the healthcare delivery system itself (doctors, hospitals, pharma companies). Yes, costs continue to rise but it is not solely because Insurance companies are making more money, on the contrary. In fact, many in our industry are loosing their jobs as a result of the sluggish economy. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124947013703607453.html)

What many people do not understand is that pre-existing conditions were put in by insurance companies to prevent people from playing the system. Sure, I would love to drop my homeowner's insurance, life insurance, auto insurance coverage and pick it up only when I need it and pay the same as those who have been paying for years. Insurance, by its very nature, is insuring risk. The greater the risk, the greater the liability. I see people everyday that have paid MUCH less in premium and received 10X the benefit. Many states have guarantee issue and policies are governed by HIPPA portability laws which cannot deny someone coverage who has had continuous coverage for more than 63 days and applies to group and individual coverage. Do away with pre-ex, fine, but costs WILL go up and even MORE people WILL drop their coverage and become uninsured because they know no one will deny them for pre-ex when they need it. Even if guaranteed issue is mandated and an individual policy costs, say $2000 a month, that is much cheaper than paying $500,000 for surgery then dropping coverage once you are better knowing you can always pick it up again when you need it. Furthermore, people will always take chances on getting caught or levied a "fine" for not carrying insurance. I was recently in an auto accident with someone who did not have insurance and guess who paid for it, all of us, on our uninsured motorist premium, not to mention nothing was done to the looser who hit me.

Insurance companies on average post about a 4-5% profit and employ tens of thousands nationwide (many of whom buy CD's, DVD's, t-shirts, posters, concert tickets etc.). It's easy to put all the blame on the insurance companies and impose unreasonable government fees, which will be passed to the consumers.
THE SOLUTION (Partly in my humble opinion):
Why no mention of tort reform (hmmm maybe because most of the douche bags in Washington are lawyers)? Why no mention of regulating pharma giving docs millions of free samples of name brand drugs that, in many cases, are just isomers of the same crap that has been out on the market for years but repackaged and sold at 10X the cost (just look up Prevacid, Nexium, Omeprazole, Kapidex, Aciphex, Zegerid, Prilosec and Protonix); or the constant barrage of pharma commercials? Because, even Mrs. Coakley just held a fundraiser before the election which was funded by big Pharma. Why do we pay more for the same drugs in the US while the rest of the world pays a fraction of the cost? Why no mention of the behind closed door meetings and special concessions to Unions and special interest groups? What happened to C-SPAN open discussion? Why not loosen up individual coverage guidelines and allow people to purchase across state lines which will increase competition?

If anyone thinks the current government healthcare reform bills will result in lower taxes, reduced government size and spending, while INCREASING quality and IMPROVING outcomes is living with blinders on. They need to listen to all sides, forget "right" or "left" and mean what they say before another unfortunate tragedy like Mr. De La Cruz happens again.



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01/20/10 12:55 AM

Oh Trent,I wish you had a little more political insight in this world full of you.

Can you please tell me what this healthcare reform entails, Trent?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/20/2010 12:59AM by revilo1.

 

01/20/10 3:44 AM

And I thought South Africa's health care is bad! I hope the bill gets passed for all my fellow fans in the USA!

 

01/20/10 4:36 AM

revilo1 posted:
Oh Trent,I wish you had a little more political insight in this world full of you.

Can you please tell me what this healthcare reform entails, Trent?

Yeah, raising $1,000,000 or so to save a mans life, and devoting the front page of his site to the cause is so fucking self centred it makes me sick.

 

01/20/10 9:58 AM

I am sorry to hear about Eric's passing. I'm more sorry that we don't have a better health care system in place. Thanks for your efforts, Trent, in raising the funds to help out a stranger. I wish Veronica all the best in her fight to get the health care bill passed.

 

01/20/10 10:19 AM

<Help is needed. Please.

 

01/20/10 10:28 AM

Blah Blah Blah - it's the Republicans fault. Same old tiring crap.

The fact of the matter is that the country doesn't want Obama's plan to socialize health care.

As Scott Brown says - we can do better.

 

01/20/10 10:37 AM

Dignan posted:
Blah Blah Blah - it's the Republicans fault. Same old tiring crap.

The fact of the matter is that the country doesn't want Obama's plan to socialize health care.

As Scott Brown says - we can do better.

For once I just want one of you lot to cut the crap and say what you really mean - that you want your fellow citizens and the most vulnerable to continue suffering and dying because they cant afford healthcare. Please? Just once?

 

01/20/10 10:39 AM

"To, Mr. Patrick Murphy, of the 8th District, Bucks County Pennsylvania. After a year and a half of varying treatments for a condition known as Supraventricular Tachycardia, I found myself in the back of a MICU last October while a crew tried to stabilized my heart enough, to make the 5 minute trip to the hospital; without my “bottoming out” (dying) . I spent a week in the hospital on the cardiac care unit and underwent a barrage of testing. I finally had a procedure known as an Ablation, which, for the most part, cured me. Thankfully, I had very good healthcare coverage. Yet, despite that coverage, I still ended up owing over $2,000.00 in medical bills when all was said and done. In my humble opinion and recent experience, sir, when it's a matter of life and death, there is NO REASON why ANY procedure should be denied 100 % coverage. Please support this reform bill so that all Americans who find themselves in these types of situations at least have a fighting chance at survival."

Signed petition, supported and am following. Thanks for the heads up amd your continued work on this issue, Mr. Reznor!

 

01/20/10 10:51 AM

YKWYA posted:
Dignan posted:
Blah Blah Blah - it's the Republicans fault. Same old tiring crap.

The fact of the matter is that the country doesn't want Obama's plan to socialize health care.

As Scott Brown says - we can do better.

For once I just want one of you lot to cut the crap and say what you really mean - that you want your fellow citizens and the most vulnerable to continue suffering and dying because they cant afford healthcare. Please? Just once?

Sure. This is what I really mean. I want a system that is going to:

- allow all Americans to be covered that want to be covered
- treat all Americans equally (including Nebraskans and union members) based on what type of insurance they choose
- not have a public option
- address medical malpractice tort reform
- not bankrupt the country
- kill kittens and puppies

The current plan does none of these things. I don't think that is too much to ask, do you?

I can respond without resorting to rhetoric and slander. Can you?

PS - I doubt you have a sense of humor, so in case you weren't sure, the last bullet was a joke.



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01/20/10 11:00 AM

Oh I am sorry - I read 'Blah blah blah' and 'same old tiring crap' and thought that my post would be talking your language? Forgive me.

Lets be more intellectual about it.

Yet again, the people who cant afford to pay, but want to be covered, under your system would have no healthcare, right?

What should they do?



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01/20/10 11:04 AM

YKWYA posted:
Oh I am sorry - I read 'Blah blah blah' and 'same old tiring crap' and thought that my post would be talking your language? Forgive me.

Lets be more intellectual about it.

Yet again, the people who cant afford to pay, under your system would have no healthcare, right?

What should they do?

Re-read bullet one and you tell me what I think.

 

01/20/10 11:07 AM

Dignan posted:
YKWYA posted:
Oh I am sorry - I read 'Blah blah blah' and 'same old tiring crap' and thought that my post would be talking your language? Forgive me.

Lets be more intellectual about it.

Yet again, the people who cant afford to pay, under your system would have no healthcare, right?

What should they do?

Re-read bullet one and you tell me what I think.

How would that be possible? Magic. If you can not afford health care where would it come from with out a public opption?

 
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